I am embracing virtue signalling pronouns in emails

Ok but now you have to say how they are related. Can you give some more detail?

The concept of "gender" is fundamentally about biological sex. If sex didn't exist, neither would gender.

Woah! I do admire your ability to cut right through all the bullshit, and make things crystal clear, Eresh. Thanks.

There are examples of individuals who ‘lived as’ the opposite sex throughout history

There have tended to be practical reasons why they have done so. Plus, someone disguising themselves as the opposite sex, isn't actually the opposite sex. It's trickery. You can't really say that sex/gender doesn't have a biological basis simply because some people tricked society into thinking they were the opposite sex. The concept of "gender" is fundamentally about biological sex. If sex didn't exist, neither would gender.

What do you think would happen if I set up a refuge, or a changing room, or a book club, or a discussion group, or a literary prize, or a political officership, and said it was only for people AFAB

It's not just hypothetical, I'm aware of many situations where women have tried to do this. It's not something that tends to work out for them.

Why is it not possible for a transwoman to have a uterus? I thought you believed that transwomen are women. Most women are born with a uterus, so why would you make the assumption that a transwoman doesn't have a uterus? If transwomen are women, then most transwomen must be born with a uterus.

Me too!

@aseriesofstillimages

Thanks for coming back.

My question from earlier as I know you've had a number of them:

Can you name some that aren't biological and aren't gender stereotypes that aren't accurate and are often damaging e.g. women should wear dresses, women should wear make up, men shouldn't cry, men should earn more etc?

Genuinely asking as I have done before on here and nobody has answered.

If being a woman can be defined as a gender identity, what are the signifiers of that identity please?

Nobody has ever answered when I've asked. And it's not even a 'gotcha', I just don't understand how people can be so sure that those they disagree with are being nasty, mean, bigoted etc when they can't themselves articulate their own views on the most fundamental issues of this topic.

I’m still waiting so see how a woman behaves so I can decide if I am one?

Well knock me down with a feather

If we just redfine the words 'man' and 'woman' to be respectively 'AMAB' and 'AFAB' how long will it be before someone AMAB decides that actually they want to be AFAB and are self defining that way?

I reckon about ten minutes.

All of that.

Playing along with using any of the made up terms involves complying with the agenda involved. No.

No one is 'assigned' anything at birth. The wangling and manipulating of boundaries through language is not innocent, it is a control technique that enforces a political and quasi religious agenda.

It can gtf.

People are welcome to use whatever words they choose for themselves. And I will do the same.

I also wouldn’t agree that the majority of people who advocate for trans inclusion insist there must be no words available to refer to a person’s ‘biological sex’ - whether you like the terms or not, ‘AFAB’ and ‘AMAB’ are commonly used for that purpose.

I said "any new terms that naturally arise in their place, arising due to the real need we have in some contexts to be able to talk about sex, cannot simply exist as a language backfill for "that thing we used to get confused with gender", but must be stopped, stamped on, either denounced as transphobic or immediately appropriated as more words for gender."

Leaving aside the obfuscation that the reason one is AFAB is not random but because ones clear biological sex was observed to be female, and therefore something (sex) preexists the assignment and should have a name in its own right, because the truth that AFAB coyly hints without saying is that one must at birth have had a certain body type that is associated with being female so yet again the ideology does not stand up in its own right but continues to need the ongoing existence of the very concepts it claims to reject - leaving that aside for now...

What do you think would happen if I set up a refuge, or a changing room, or a book club, or a discussion group, or a literary prize, or a political officership, and said it was only for people AFAB, due to the specific challenges that those with such assignment face? Do you think the dominant voices speaking for trans people would say "great, fair enough, AFAB people do need that" or do you think it would be accusations of transphobia and a concerted effort to pressurise me and anyone tangentially involved like funders, location managers, publicity channels etc to have whatever it is stopped?

I read a bit. So.

I have questions!

I have short hair. I'm wearing trousers, a shirt, and birkenstocks. I don't ever wear make up. My name is unfamiliar to most people in this country/culture, so it's not recognisably male or female associated.

How can I tell if I'm a woman or a man? Can you describe it for me?

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Initially the approach with GD was similar to that for disorder of sex development, with a karyotype being routinely requested. An audit of UK clinics from 2013 to 2015 (Table 1) revealed no differences from cytogenetic surveys of the UK newborn population and elsewhere.10 11 Therefore, routine karyotyping of a child or adolescent with GD is not required unless any specific clinical features determine this to be necessary.

adc.bmj.com/content/103/7/631

I know. It’s a miracle. @aseriesofstillimages have some cake

name and pronouns generally associated with the opposite sex, and likewise wearing clothes and otherwise physically presenting and generally behaving in a way likely to be expected of the opposite sex

Name, pronouns, clothes - 'physically presenting' - what does this mean, please? Hairstyle?

'behaving in a way likely to be expected of the opposite sex' - again, could you expand on this, please?

Also thanks for coming back to answer questions; it's fascinating to find someone willing to discuss these things politely and able to do so coherently! Happens almost never!

Of course we are excluding people with DSD. They have asked repeatedly not to be dragged into this. Even stonewall has conceded they are no part of this debate. So, a transwoman is not a woman biologically, or in any other way.

Did you read about Willmer Broadnax? I think that’s quite a good illustration of how it can look in reality.

I believe clinics used to screen for DSDs as standard. They stopped implementing this step, because the rate of undiagnosed DSDs in patients referred to gender dysphoria clinics was no greater than in the wider population.

If we are excluding people with intersex variations then my answer would be that it is not possible for a trans woman to have a uterus.

So you’re going with sexist stereotypes. What If I wear men’s clothes? Dries that mean I’m living as a man? How does someone behave like a woman?

The question was, is it possible for a trans woman to have a uterus. I was trying to think of any real world situation where that would be possible.

The DSD thing is bizarre. Unless every trans person has a hidden and undiagnosed DSD (I suggested mass testing to put us terfs straight once and for all, but they seemed reluctant) then it’s completely unrelated - like saying the existence of cheese must mean the moon is made of cheese. Plus I thought gender was not biological?

to some extent it depends on the specific historical and social context, but I suppose going under a name and pronouns generally associated with the opposite sex, and likewise wearing clothes and otherwise physically presenting and generally behaving in a way likely to be expected of the opposite sex. This is a good real life example en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willmer_Broadnax

We aren't talking about DSDs, aseriesofstillimages, we're talking about trans people.