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The meaning of women shaking their heads has changed

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hallouminatus · 21/07/2022 11:48

Powerful blog from Steph today.

"She then touched on general LGBT+ issues and totally out of the blue, said, "trans women are women, & trans men are men."

And to my amazement, virtually all the women in the audience shook their heads in agreement..

The meaning of women shaking their heads has changed

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NitroNine · 21/07/2022 23:51

I think that just this once, @Conflictedunicorn, it was Georgi Manev instead.

Don’t know if anyone [else] is geeky enough to be interested in fact that headshaking to communicate the negative is practically universal from babyhood, but this seems an apposite place to share that wee interview with Dr Bross from last August. And indeed share (for those unaware) that the German word for “a shake of the head” is the wonderfully onomatopoeiac Kopfschütteln.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2022 22:39

Thanks for the clarification, Tinsel. It is a common name so I wasn’t sure.

TinselAngel · 21/07/2022 22:33

Helleofabore · 21/07/2022 22:01

Did we ever establish whether Steph’s place Steph was the same one of this board? The one who found the WiSpa protest so horrific and soundly blamed posters on MN FWR and their ilk for said violence?

I cannot quite remember if it was ever established. Steph is a common name after all.

I think Steph has graced us with Steph's presence here but I don't think that was the same Steph.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2022 22:01

I cannot quite remember if it was ever established. Steph is a common name after all.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 21/07/2022 20:43

Well you know what mean old ladies are like, being all polite and rational and inviting the young TRA’s in to listen to the speakers. All a front of course for um being rational and seeking debate… anyway someone had better stop the mean old ladies before they get dangerously close to persuading people that women and girls are human beings worthy of respect, of privacy, of words to describe themselves, their bodily processes and their uniquely female experiences, of protection from physical violence at the hands of men that kind of thing.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/07/2022 18:55

What a strange thing to do, @PomegranateOfPersephone

They want to come to FiLIA but the mean old ladies won't let them play?

Conflictedunicorn · 21/07/2022 17:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2022 12:21

I expect there was a standing ovation too.

Was that audiences name Albert Einstein?

PomegranateOfPersephone · 21/07/2022 17:48

They campaign against FiLia conferences as far as I recall.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/07/2022 17:17

Is Steph a brand? It used to just be a 60 year old person who looked better in a tailored dress than I do, what with my messy post natal body refusing to co operate.

I had a look - it's now four of them but I'm not sure what they are doing? It's not a support forum, doesn't seem to be campaigning for anything, no proper links or resources apart from to a nice nail place.

PearlClutch · 21/07/2022 16:39

Well, someone needs to give their head a wobble, nod, or shake.

FemaleAndLearning · 21/07/2022 16:36

hallouminatus · 21/07/2022 12:16

I'm not on twitter but can see the tweet here: nitter.net/PlaceSteph/status/1549689722380984320#m
It includes a link to the blog but the blog itself has "nodded" instead of "shaken". I guess it's been edited.

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Thank you I could access the blog from that link here it is www.stephsplace.uk/the-womens-network-event.cfm

Having a good old gossip in the car with the natal female! Also seemed a bit classist to me:

"But what I witnessed at this up-market women's networking event was extraordinary, and it is something I will never forget."

Are all other women's meeting down market?

Do we know anyone else at that meeting?

I read some if the other blogs and the we are all born as female templates is used to explain being trans oh and if the mother suffers stress during pregnancy it can be her fault if the child is trans.

Artichokeleaves · 21/07/2022 14:13

And then they all wore pyjamas and had a pillow fight.

How lovely.

TinselAngel · 21/07/2022 13:37

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 21/07/2022 13:15

People who speak about themselves in the third person: worrying

Tinsel agrees.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 21/07/2022 13:15

People who speak about themselves in the third person: worrying

TinselAngel · 21/07/2022 13:06

I am amused that Steph is tweeting that Steph wrote a powerful blog.

TinselAngel · 21/07/2022 13:05

Ah Steph who hates me so much Steph wrote a whole blog piece about it.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 21/07/2022 12:57

Ahahahaha. One of the Freudian slips that TRAs experience bizarrely often.

They KNOW. They deceive themselves, but they know.

knittingaddict · 21/07/2022 12:44

So what were the replies or was it an echo chamber?

There must be women who were there who could confirm or deny.

CrossStichQueen · 21/07/2022 12:44

Is it Steph from Stephs place?

If so that one is a special little character.

ZaraSizeMedium · 21/07/2022 12:29

And then everyone gathered in the toilets to discuss what shade of lipstick they were wearing and spontaneously offer tampons all round.

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hallouminatus · 21/07/2022 12:22

Don't think this is particularly significant - it just amused me .

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2022 12:21

I expect there was a standing ovation too.

knittingaddict · 21/07/2022 12:21

OK, I've just checked out the blog and it said "nod" not "shake, so the Twitter post is wrongly written. By someone from the US? As to whether it really happened or not? Who knows, but it sounds doubtful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2022 12:20

Steph is in the U.K. I think.

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hallouminatus · 21/07/2022 12:18

*shook

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