Mordant conceding defeat?

The sad fact is, it isn't a bug existing only in the mind of a few candidates: it's one of the main features of the entire bloody left. They're a dead duck. All of them.

I would like to see a new centre left actually socialist party rise from the ashes of the utter mess that all the left leaning parties are in. But it would have to be built on whole new foundations and rejecting all of the rot that has led to this farce in the first place.

Hope this means the end of Stonewall Champions throughout the civil service. Easy thing for whoever is elected to do.

I would like to be able to vote for a Labour candidate who hasn’t lost their fucking mind, is who I want to vote for.

@yeahreally I would research his views on other areas (economy, transport, etc) along with other candidates (and all their parties' positions). Ultimately I would not vote for anyone pushing gender ideology as it represents such a blow to women and girls (not just those seeking abortion) and also shows a lack of critical thinking in terms of how supporting a legal fiction can impact all our lives negatively.

I'm so relieved also. Had PM become PM, women's sex-based rights and the proper safeguarding of children would have been wobbling on the edge of a precipice. I doubt very much that PM would have done anything to protect them. As others have said, I hope Labour MPs who actually want the party to get into power are paying attention. The real life impact of gender ideology is only going to become more apparent to the general public as time moves on and I doubt it's going to be anything but negative for the majority of the population.

All poll results depend on the questions asked.

’Trans rights’ as a fluid ideology is a vastly different concept than ‘women’s rights’ and ‘children’s safeguarding’ which are legal realities. As are ‘human rights’ for all of us.

@SlagathaChristie - I recognise that the Roe v Wade overturning is a US issue but I raised it as a point of contrast (for me, it's something that is a much starker and clearer blow to rights and safety).
And it still concerns if so many people with concerns about so many other issues (many of which will also impact on women's rights and safety, perhaps even more so) will hold their nose and vote a candidate/party on this one issue(and without balancing it with these other issues).
I don't know your politics or constituency but, theoretically would you vote for JRM because of his views on this issue (and ignore everything else he stands for)?
I'm not looking to antagonise, just genuinely interested....

I know. It’s almost like the TRA are a little bit worried women might actually get some of their rights and language back.

One wonders why it's so urgent to keep telling us no one cares if in fact no one cares.

Quite

I always enjoy the rush to remind us that women don't matter, no one cares, no one's listening, nothing you say will make any difference so give up now ....

It's like having a gang of little dementors around. One wonders why it's so urgent to keep telling us no one cares if in fact no one cares.

The next big job is to get Labour to have a big re-think about the clash of rights and to eschew the gender woo.

I think we'll see Truss' and Sunak's campaigns focusing solely on women's rights over the next few weeks because of this.

I think we'll actually see the opposite with the Tory party agreeing amongst themselves to keep it off the table as it would be toxic for both candidates.

Yes! We as PP have said, this shot across the bough has shown all the political parties that yes, women's rights and opinions actually DO MATTER. Over to you Labour - are you listening yet?

Tory party members don't see the trans issue as important which is why PM was most popular with them as they believed she was the best chance of winning the next general election.

Heard back from my MP today, explaining that he originally supported Kemi and is now considering where to shift his support, and that women's spaces and rights were a key part of his consideration of candidates.

It's sinking in.

One does not simply walk into Mordant

😂

(HQ we really do need a snort-with-tea-coming-down-nose emoticon)

Yeah, Truss isn't all TWAW but with her in charge we are likely to get Dorries and Rees Mogg. Labour just have to bide their time for a couple of years and the assault on our rights begins all over again.

I'm glad PM's out but it's just a brief respite for women.

Whatever. She’s out. We can deal with the next thing when it comes.

We're in the UK, so the USA's Supreme Court deciding that abortion is not an issue of the Constitution but is something for states to legislate on is really neither here nor there. We make our laws through Parliament and there is no ministerial or public appetite for a reduction in abortion access. Women being erased from laws/maternity rights, having no single sex spaces etc affects all women and girls in the UK.

The 'trans issue' as you call it may be a fringe issue - indeed demographic information suggests those identifying as transgender are vanishingly few.

Women's Rights is not a fringe issue and that is what I posted about, and what is increasingly becoming the media focus - after tireless work over the past few years by women and allies to make it so. Penny Mordaunts dishonesty during her campaign has added to this focus.

I deliberately made no mention of trans or transgender in my post you quoted as I firmly place Gender Identity Ideology as a wider issue and threat to women and children.

It is not, in my opinion, a tiresome culture war. So we disagree. Which is fine. I believe here on Mumsnet 'No debate' was never adopted.

I wonder what Keir has made of this

Let's hope this sends a message to ALL parties before the next GE because right now there isn't a single one I can vote for.

Phew!

I wonder what Keir has made of this. If it is an issue in an internal party election, then surely it will be in a national one.

I think we shall see some of the brave women MPs become even braver. Surely they cannot be punished now for being GC.

I'm with @theworldhas on this one. It's an important issue but I genuinely fear for whom we might elect if everything is viewed through the prism of this one strand of the wider issue of women's rights and safety?

In practice does this TWAW steand have as big an effect on women's rights and safety as, say l, the overruling of Roe vs Wade in the US? Or indeed the effects of climate change (www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/how-climate-change-affects-women/), which the current governmenthave a v patchy record on
All I'd say is think hard before voting on a single issue....

Did he have a vote

Happy with this. Might get a tax break between now and the next election

Thank Fuck for that

just imagine, we're lucky enough to have her as our MP ! 😟