Page 4 | Money Box this afternoon at 3pm on Radio 4

nauticant · 2022-07-20T13:26:49+00:00

Anyone fancy Money Box this afternoon at 3pm on Radio 4? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0019b90 ^Felicity Hannah and a panel of experts talk money when you are transgender or non-binary.^ ^jane fae – Director – TransActual^ ^Cleo Madeleine – Spokesperson – Gendered Intelligence ^

mosesb · 20/07/2022 16:31

And yes, I've told them we are all non binary

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 16:31

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gender nonconformity was embraced back then. It went to shit with the Kardashian era.

mosesb · 20/07/2022 16:30

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 16:28

@mosesb you do parenting your way. I certainly tell my dd white lies here and there but the truth is kinder . We are all non-binary. We have both stereotypically male and stereotypically female traits. And the opposite. Some are more one than the other. Some are a mix of both. Sometimes it depends what we're doing from hour to hour. That doesn't make us special.

I understand al that and we've talked about that. Why are you criticising my parenting, I'm glad your children are so perfect. I have an intelligent, funny and autistic child who says they want me to use they pronouns. It's not going to kill me to support them.

I'm just sad that they're going to have to deal with all these older people smirking and rolling their eyes at them.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 16:29

mosesb · 20/07/2022 16:24

What are you all so hateful?

My child says they are non binary. I hate that secretly everyone is saying all this horrible stuff about them

Gently, I think you may be projecting your own disquiet onto other people, here. Nobody is saying horrible stuff about your child. I've no idea who your child is!

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 16:28

@mosesb you do parenting your way. I certainly tell my dd white lies here and there but the truth is kinder . We are all non-binary. We have both stereotypically male and stereotypically female traits. And the opposite. Some are more one than the other. Some are a mix of both. Sometimes it depends what we're doing from hour to hour. That doesn't make us special.

Lolapusht · 20/07/2022 16:26

I,too, heard this in the car. I must say, being asked to produce ID to a bank can be a bit annoying but I understand why it’s being asked for and I also don’t take it as an insult that the bank think I’m a fraudster. I may have raised my eyebrows and hmphd somewhat when Jane said that the law surrounding NB/gender fluid identities is now settled under EA2010 after Taylor v JLR and that NB is a protected characteristic.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 16:24

Butteryflakycrust83 · 20/07/2022 16:01

Another hateful thread.

Other threads are available, I believe.

mosesb · 20/07/2022 16:24

What are you all so hateful?

My child says they are non binary. I hate that secretly everyone is saying all this horrible stuff about them

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 16:22

DelurkingLawyer · 20/07/2022 15:37

Did I really get into my car, switch in the radio and catch a caller saying how hard it was to transition because they were now divorced and had to pay “the whole of the internet bill”??

Is that not a Waterboys song?

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 16:19

Yep, never had my pronouns registered at a bank either. I get second place on letters from the bank because I'm "the wife".

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 16:17

@Butteryflakycrust83 I'm sorry you feel that way. But everyone is Non-Binary. Literally everyone.

Birdsweepsin · 20/07/2022 16:16

None of them mentioned the cost of buying a second ticket so that they can bring their ego with them on the bus/ plane / to the cinema

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nauticant · 20/07/2022 16:08

As was said at the start of the programme, one of the difficulties trans people face is getting their pronouns registered by organisations like banks. Strange really because never in my life have I had to register my pronouns with any organisation.

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NewBootsAndRanty · 20/07/2022 16:04

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 15:32

And what financial trauma does a non-binary person have? Apart from sore ears because everyone laughs at self indulgent bollocks

Pronouns.

DelurkingLawyer · 20/07/2022 16:02

nauticant · 20/07/2022 15:42

Did you get into your car when there was a lot of sunlight about?

Yes, very sunny.

I thought it was interesting hearing people’s voices separately from visual cues.

Butteryflakycrust83 · 20/07/2022 16:01

Another hateful thread.

MagpiePi · 20/07/2022 15:56

I only caught the end of it but was surprised at how a speaker managed to shoehorn in the recent 'dreadful' NHS discrimination case.

During the small bit I heard, I thought the presenter was quite good at keeping the speakers on track and not allowing it to turn into a trans pity party.

But also was a bit 🙄 at the sentiment that trans people should not be questioned on their identity at all. And the bit about having to pay bills all by yourself because you're single.

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nauticant · 20/07/2022 15:42

Did you get into your car when there was a lot of sunlight about?

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DelurkingLawyer · 20/07/2022 15:37

Did I really get into my car, switch in the radio and catch a caller saying how hard it was to transition because they were now divorced and had to pay “the whole of the internet bill”??

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 15:32

And what financial trauma does a non-binary person have? Apart from sore ears because everyone laughs at self indulgent bollocks

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 20/07/2022 15:31

Such self obsessed twaddle. Didn’t hear the beginning but basically, the people speaking right now are expecting to not be treated the same as everyone else but to actually be treated differently. IE they don’t want to have to be asked to prove their identity with documentation as that’s discriminatory even though every other individual dealing with a bank would have to submit documents to prove their identity. 🤷‍♀️. If there’s an account in the name of Joanna and a man’s voice is on the end of the phone then the banks fraud prevention is going to make them question that. But according to the speakers today, that’s discrimination and should be changed. FFS, if my husband rang up and pretended he was me, he’d be questioned under fraud prevention too. They are literally being treated the same as everyone else.

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 15:30

At present you still need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria . Bit hard to get if you are an AGP, I suppose.

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nauticant · 20/07/2022 15:21

Apparently it's the nightmare process of seeking to get one. Only a small percentage of trans people, I think they said 1%, can bear it. That's what's being said at any rate.

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ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 20/07/2022 15:18

Why don’t people want a GRC? If it makes life easier?

Sittininafield · 20/07/2022 15:17

Good lord, nearly put my off my driving. It’s weird how transwomen sound like men on the radio…. So much self indulgent twaddle … one of them said that clothes were a cost of being trans… et, we all need clothes!