Money Box this afternoon at 3pm on Radio 4

The part I heard had me shouting at the radio.

An awful lot of whine whine whine I’m having to fund my own surgery whine whine whine I’m having to buy my own hormone treatment.

And WTAF is non binary anyway?

@mosesb if the worst your child experiences is people eye rolling when they’re out of sight and privately thinking their special identity is nonsense, then they will be living a charmed life,

They might use a different bank to you. My bank doesn't do that so maybe they use the same bank as I do.

What "horrible stuff"?

Disagreement is not hatred. I don't agree with many religious teachings, that doesn't mean I hate the people who do believe. I don't believe in gender ideology, that doesn't mean I hate people who do.
The thing is your child will have to learn eventually that not everyone in the world is going to agree with or go along with their self image. That is all part of growing up, you can't protect them from everything.
If your relationship with your child is based on simply agreeing with everything they believe then you're in trouble.

I'd quite forgotten about Jane Fae and the eggshell skull comment. Now I shall be pondering all evening whether, upon transition, a male gets one of those pesky women's thin skulls.

I might listen to it tomorrow unless it's going to be rage inducing.

Fae amuses and horrifies me in equal measures - firstly because their colossal ego means they are about the only late transitioner who doesn't get arsy about being deadnamed as they are so proud of their hardcore porn defending past; and secondly because of that past and their stance on most domestic murder being as a result of women's eggshell skulls

I spend a lot of time on this board. There is nothing but empathy and concern for children (often autistic) trying to navigate this bullshit. Attitudes towards self involved adults are not reflective of attitudes towards vulnerable children.

FWIW it seems that you don't really buy into this nonsense yourself. I absolutely agree that it's not worth jeopardising your relationship with your child over. Hopefully it won't go as far as hormones/binders/surgeries. But be reassured that a few people online being snippy about ridiculous adults is not the same thing as everyone hating your child.

Nearly always ridiculously tight shiny dresses.
A caricature of what they think ''Woman'' is.

Ho hum.

Agree..Gruff voiced men.
I'm so glad I missed it, ridiculous if clothes were mentioned.
We all need clothes.

To get back to the programme, most of it was about identifying oneself, changing names & honorifics/titles.

You mean like women that take their partner’s surname on marriage do?

Behold my field of fucks for it is barren …

Yes, @nauticant, I noticed that too.

It was rather a waste of a programme I thought.

I have an intelligent, funny and autistic child who says they want me to use they pronouns.

Im not entirely surprised. I also have a logical, clever and funny autistic (adult) child. Mine is mildly terrified about being unable to pretend adequately that they can’t perceive sex, while knowing that The Rules say you must think of people in terms of their gender.

Mine is pretty baffled about unwritten gendered norms. If caught younger, I suspect mine too would have concluded that ‘nonbinary’ was the right label for that. Hell, I would have done so myself; I had enough mean girls at school sneering that I was ‘basically a boy in a skirt’.

And the presenter was sycophantic.

To get back to the programme, most of it was about identifying oneself, changing names & honorifics/titles. This can be irritating - I've changed my name twice and it can be a pain to produce documents to get the changes made. But if it needs to be done, it needs to be done. I'm sure more financial institutions will be moving to voice recognition which will help a lot of people, not just trans. I've long thought we should ditch all titles.

There were calls about how expensive it is be trans, what with the ops, electrolysis, clothes but, apart from TM Martin, nobody suggested any remedies. I wonder why?Martin's strategy, should you wish to know, is asking friends & family while setting up a crowdfunder.

And yes, the terrible expense of paying 100% of the bills yourself. As many of us do here. I do. I'm not trans.

I think I missed the bit where Jane Fae said NB is a protected characteristic but I did hear JF say they had had discussions at 'high levels' of government about getting rid of gender (sex) markers. I wonder why financial institutions have traditionally wanted to know the sex of their customers 🤔 - could it be so they knew who to give mortgages and loans to, and who to withhold them from?

Yay! I’m off to claim my trans privilege now! You must all listen to my every word and never contradict my opinions no wonder how batshit crazy or it’s literal genocide and I’ll cry.

Yes. Wasn’t there a guy who’s just come out as NB. Typical beard, totally male presenting but we are supposed to believe he is not a male for some weird reason only he knows. I think so that as a white male he can claim membership of the ‘most oppressed group ever’.

Assuming you wear trousers sometimes, dresses occasionally, and the other "gendered" stuff then yeah, you are now non binary. I think

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Hold on, I live alone and pay all my bills. Including the whole internet bill! Does this mean I am non binary now??

Well it's because they're earning more money because they are men and can spend more on girly things because they are women? Pink power, but with lipsticks and stilettos and shiny dresses.

So you can explain non binary to us?
Genuine question.