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Yougov study - attitudes to transgender rights have eroded

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eleanorwish · 20/07/2022 14:25

Quite a lot of people commenting on this on Twitter

twitter.com/yougov/status/1549692153365991424?s=21&t=RgKSQ9HhOFGYevLAzDd05g

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Conflictedunicorn · 20/07/2022 22:12

Based on past experience 2 but with the volume turned up to 11

HPFA · 20/07/2022 20:00

In the light of this is it more likely that

  1. Stonewall will do some serious soul-searching and ask themselves if their current approach is actually making things harder for trans people as well as females?
2.Or just carry on screaming about transphobes and bigots?
BettyFilous · 20/07/2022 19:38

hallouminatus · 20/07/2022 19:25

Also hospital wards and intimate health and social care is not discussed.

… because then the entire jig would be up.

hallouminatus · 20/07/2022 19:33

TheGreatATuin · 20/07/2022 17:47

It's definitely better worded than the last one they did, but some of the questions don't make sense.
There was one that was something about people being allowed to change gender from the one they were assigned at birth. I noticed that one had a lot of unsures.
There's a huge difference between someone being gender non-conforming as many of the responders will assume, and someone changing all their sex markers on official documents and the NHS, or a male person 'changing gender' via self-id and overriding womens right to single sex spaces.
Its a mess of a question.

Actually they avoided "assigned at birth", mentioning "sex at birth"🙂once, and "gender recorded at birth" 🤔several times.

hallouminatus · 20/07/2022 19:25

Also hospital wards and intimate health and social care is not discussed.

hallouminatus · 20/07/2022 19:22

Questions about prisons are notably absent.

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 18:16

Attitudes to women's rights have improved.

TheGreatATuin · 20/07/2022 17:47

It's definitely better worded than the last one they did, but some of the questions don't make sense.
There was one that was something about people being allowed to change gender from the one they were assigned at birth. I noticed that one had a lot of unsures.
There's a huge difference between someone being gender non-conforming as many of the responders will assume, and someone changing all their sex markers on official documents and the NHS, or a male person 'changing gender' via self-id and overriding womens right to single sex spaces.
Its a mess of a question.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 17:00

I find things like that are often hard to parse when they are being massaged very hard to show something that they don't, in fact, show.

The cognitive dissonance makes it all go all fuzzy.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 16:59

I found it all very waffly and opaque. TBH, just skimmed it. Badly phrased, badly designed, and not really telling us much we don't already know.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/07/2022 16:37

Did anyone else find that chart wildly difficult to interpret, or was I just being thick? I’ve got it figured out now but I had to type then delete a whole comment full of questions before I was able to make sense of it.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/07/2022 16:26

It was said by many a wise MNetter a few years ago that the TRAS would do the work for us as they would get too big for their boots and end up exposing themselves to the public which would not go the way they wanted.

I don’t think that gives the “TERFs” enough credit! TRAs are like this EVERYWHERE, quite bizarrely now I think about it, but terrible legislation that harms women in favour of the begendered has still been passed in many places.

TRAs expose themselves (mostly metaphorically) when they don’t get what they want. As well as when they do get what they want, and get cocky.

They’ve been putting on quite the public show in the UK lately, and it’s mostly a result of thwarted rage at the women who stand up to them.

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 15:45

They'll be nervous about blaming Mumsnet. Because it means a few people will actually go and look to see what's being said on here. In detail. Explaining why gender identity is a threat to women's rights.

Conflictedunicorn · 20/07/2022 15:39

eleanorwish · 20/07/2022 15:33

Apparently it's the fault of the 'elite', the government and the media. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone blame mumsnet yet

Give it 15 mins….

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:38

Yes the blaming of the media seems popular but when I think about the many articles I have read they have been factual. For example reports of TW who have committed sex crimes, the reporting of transpeople in sport and such. It seems that any news that reports on transpeople negatively even though factual is not allowed

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 20/07/2022 15:37

eleanorwish · 20/07/2022 15:33

Apparently it's the fault of the 'elite', the government and the media. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone blame mumsnet yet

They don't want to give us the satisfaction :)

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eleanorwish · 20/07/2022 15:33

Apparently it's the fault of the 'elite', the government and the media. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone blame mumsnet yet

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Polkadotties · 20/07/2022 15:21

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:18

It was said by many a wise MNetter a few years ago that the TRAS would do the work for us as they would get too big for their boots and end up exposing themselves to the public which would not go the way they wanted.

This. We have the likes of LiaR Thomas to thank.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2022 15:20

Given that they had similar results the last time they asked some of these questions, but now the answers are even harsher, I'd be surprised if they were shocked. They also asked some new questions, such as whether the NHS should pay for transitioning and whether children should medically transition. I hope this informs policy appropriately.

Signalbox · 20/07/2022 15:20

Conflictedunicorn · 20/07/2022 14:57

It’s all the sunlight I think….

Definitely this.

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:18

It was said by many a wise MNetter a few years ago that the TRAS would do the work for us as they would get too big for their boots and end up exposing themselves to the public which would not go the way they wanted.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 15:18

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 15:14

I wonder why screaming at people and calling them bigots didn't work? It's a real puzzler.

Odd, isn't it?

' fash bigots increasingly refuse to like me no matter how much I threaten them'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2022 15:17

There's no spinning it this time, though, really.

PearlClutch · 20/07/2022 15:17

I can't escape the feeling the poll had a certain agenda in mind and is disgusted or disappointed with the results.

achillestoes · 20/07/2022 15:16

Their reporting is incredibly biased.