Moment of realisation

Lots of women are not able to take or tolerate hormonal contraception, for an assortment of health reasons which can include anything from migraine to blood clotting disorders.

Well yeah, even today contraception isn't great.

I'm glad it worked for you but I personally wouldn't go near a coil & the contraceptive pill can't be safely taken for very long.

Frankly, yes, I did worry about it. Sometimes because I didn't have the money to raise one (when we needed both our jobs to pay the mortgage, & this was decades ago), sometimes for very personal reasons I won't go into. In addition, I couldn't get on with some methods of contraception (e.g. my body wouldn't work with any of the c pills I was prescribed). It took a lot of time & stress & visits to the GP to get nowhere.

You sound extraordinarily lucky, if you had no medical problems, & could have & afford multiple children so easily.

What is it the young woke say? Mind your privilege?

Oh that's a disgrace. One more example of the conflict between trans demands and women's rights. If they could just enjoy the clothes etc, and living in a tolerant country in which they are not only safe but also given special privilegees (eg the right to change their birth certificates, being let off prison in many cases because the judge thinks they'll have a hard time).

But no, they have to take things that belong to women. They have to deprive us of some of our few assets. They have to make us accept less than our rights.

Why?

"I mean, in that every three years I went to the doctor and had my coil replaced and then when I wanted kids I had it taken out. So, yeah, that's half an hour every three years which someone without a utetus wouldn't have had to deal with but I really didn't stress it and don't now. "
Lucky you. Didn't have the option of a coil so it's not really the fix it you think it is.
Women need to spend a bit more time thinking about the consequences of gender ideology on women that aren't them.

Same here.

Not all women give birth but only women do. The menopause only affects women and it will change how you look at a lot of things. For example, you will have less patience with men and handmaidens who say biology isn't important and doesn't define you as a woman. Because it is about to become fucking important.
I'm sure transwomen have lots of challenges but they aren't women's challenges.

A happy childfree woman has had to do far more to avoid becoming pregnant than any male, hasn't she?

I mean, in that every three years I went to the doctor and had my coil replaced and then when I wanted kids I had it taken out. So, yeah, that's half an hour every three years which someone without a utetus wouldn't have had to deal with but I really didn't stress it and don't now.

Obvs, having kids was a massive game changer but I think if I'd not wanted one, it wouldn't have been a huge logistical issue. Are the rest of you all genuinely spending huge amounts of time worrying about how to not get pregnant? In the 21st century with all the contraceptive options available?

A trans woman who managed to get herself accepted on a returning to work programme which was specifically aimed at mothers returning to work after years out as sahm

and she the then completely dominated all the discussions and banged on about the cotton ceiling 🤮🤮

Nobody challenged her domination of the group….. we still had the full mansplaining business nonetheless 🙄

Just read my posted post & it doesnt make sense because I used asterisks to delete expletives. I'll try again:

Before the gender stuff got going, I remember feeling that for women, the freedom to dress/look pretty much how you want to was the only compensation for all the 💩society (let alone biology) puts us through. The one advantage we had over men was that their ways of dressing were so limited & rigidly policed compared to ours.

It didn't make up for all the 💩, of course. It was just one small thing we had for ourselves.

And now we don't. Why should males, who have every advantage going, be able to take this one small distinction from us? And why is it the ONLY thing they take?

Spot on.

Before the gender stuff got going, I remember feeling that for women, the freedom to dress/look pretty much how you want to was just about the only compensation for all the society (let alone biology) puts us through. The one advantage we had over men was that their ways of dressing were so limited & rigidly policed compared to ours.

It didn't make up for all the , of course. It was just one small thing we had for ourselves.

And now we don't. Why should males, who have every advantage going, be able to take this one small distinction from us? And why is it the ONLY thing they take?

Yes, and all women, whether they have children or not, are at risk of violence because of their perceived capacity to be impregnated and the lack of physical and social power associated with that biological capacity (not ability.)

You’ve hit the nail right on the head.

This person has no idea about ANY aspect of womanhood.

Many women don't experience childbirth- this is true.

But most of them have put significant effort throughout their lives into avoiding pregnancy, as contraception is a burden which falls on women. Of the rest, a not insignificant number have not experienced childbirth because they have been dealing with health issues that caused infertility. Neither are experiencing the life of a male, especially a fertile one who has been able to have biological children without undergoing the physical demands of pregnancy.

A happy childfree woman has had to do far more to avoid becoming pregnant than any male, hasn't she?

well, maybe, but there are many groups who struggle, who have compulsions that are not widely accepted in society. Discrimination is covered in the EA and nobody should suffer because of it.

No, they are not.

Even more significantly, they've avoided the social impacts of female biology. The self-limiting /policing as a response to fear or rape or other violence, the impossible to quantify impacts of actual rape or other violence, the responsibility for childcare, for all the shitwork, for the emotional labour and the extreme consequent limits on our agency.

I think for some of them it’s a choice, but for others it must feel more like a compulsion. It can’t be easy. People must stare, and they probably do experience discrimination.

I'm not really sure that trans folk are automatically deserving of my "respect and admiration" as PP claims. Do they all give that to us lowly biological women?