Moment of realisation

That says it all really, Ndd! And you didn't even have to cheat to get where you are.

Ah @GoodJanetBadJanet you're skewing things, or falling for a cynically skewed, apparently liberatory narrative. Women have many different experiences and make many different choices; of course that does not make any individual 'less of a woman'. But having no capacity to give birth - even if only potential, or undeveloped or disordered or wounded or flawed - does make you less of a woman. In fact, it makes you a man.

Your womanhood might be more than your biology, but without your biology it is not womanhood.

But I don’t have periods, I won’t ever be pregnant - the only thing we have in common by the sounds of it is that we are female, there isn’t really much of a shared experience of womanhood there. Having a period doesn’t “make you a woman” - its something that happens to you because you’re female

Men used to stare at me, and proposition me and try to get me alone and wolf whistle and more. I was young and pretty and had the obligatory big rack. I lost jobs because I wouldnt sleep with the boss, I've always been paid less than men, I had to quit a career to look after my children because no one thought the man should do his share. Oh God I could go on and on and all this happened because of my female biology.
Doubt if anywhere near the same happens to transwomen.
Yes different issues , but nothing that makes them a woman. And as we know their biology stands them in good stead for countering most issues.

but they’ll never experience being a woman in the way we do.
This is just so ridiculous though, sorry - we don't all have the same experiences!
Just because I've given birth more than once naturally, doesn't mean all women will, or indeed even want to.
Having different experiences doesn't make you any less women.
And there's more to me being a woman than what my body is doing right now FFS..
That's reducing me to my body parts and it can get in the fucking sea.
yes as I said hot as crap today and had enough 😁

This. I'm fully signed up GC, but for those who have gender dysphoria it sounds like an awful medical condition and for those who fully transition, being a life long medical patient with a medically induced hormone imbalance can't always be a barrel of laughs. I wouldn't want it.

I agree that being a TW is different from being a woman. I wish we had a state where everyone recognised this and TW and TM with dysphoria could genuinely be proud to be trans rather than claiming to be something else.

I have no time for people without gender dysphoria who claim to the literally the opposite sex or gender or whatever they claim, and I don't think these people should be under the label trans at all. Though I do think they should be able to dress as they please without getting shit for it.

But looking and sounding like a woman is all I need to do? So if a transwoman passes should she also be treated as a woman?

"What is wrong with being a transwoman?
Why the people banging on about true self don’t want to be transwomen?"
Nothing. As long as we accept that transwomen are transwomen and not women.

honestly don't get this attitude.

I'm hot as all holy crap today, grumpy as hell as a result and it's the time of the month so extra grumpy.

Really cannot get my head round flipping fingers at people who go through different experiences to me.
Just what is the point?!
I don't think it's a healthy place to be in.
Plus I never feel more reduced to my body parts and functions than when I'm on this board.

I actually don't think this is a particularly pleasant thread. I'm gender critical and don't believe you can change sex, but I think starting a thread picking apart another person's presentation is a bit spiteful.

I haven’t been through the menopause, my implant prevents pregnancy and periods and I don’t want to have children so I won’t ever go through childbirth. I also don’t wear pretty dresses - am I a woman because I haven’t or won’t experience those things in the OP?

What is wrong with being a transwoman?
Why the people banging on about true self don’t want to be transwomen?

It’s rather debatable whether you can in fact opt out if male privilege if everyone is aware you’re a trans woman anyway.

One of our frequent forum visitors, Robin White, points out how she has kept her male voice rather than have vocal cord surgery, because it benefits her practice at the bar. Similarly, have Pip Bunce or Eddie Izzard opted out of male privilege?

Like all male born people transwomen grew up with male privilege, as did I. The difference between them and me is that I have not said that I need access to women only spaces, which they don't need. I just don't see what is to be celebrated about trampling on women. I honestly don't get it, but as I'm unwoke my usual response to them of 'cry harder' is more often than not ignored. Fine by me, but my daughters (who have drunk the Kool-Aid) know that at least I have their back.

Yes but the surge is girls ‘opting out’ of being female. Why would that be ?

Surely isn't that what trans people are doing though? They are opting out of their biological sex?

The theory why trans and NB ideology is hitting so many young people because it gives them a way to opt out of puberty et al.

@bellinisurge ❤️

Lia Thomas: brave woman of the year 🤮

Why are they deserving of appreciation? What have they done to be appreciated?

@Ndd135632 , hope it treats you kindly and pisses off soon

I'm glad the coil worked for you; it doesn't for every woman. I personally don't fancy it at all.

The walk-in family planning clinics near me closed during lockdown and haven't reopened (they used to open at times friendly to those in full time work). That means a 6 monthly faff of getting through to my GP on the phone and trying to get an appointment for a pill renewal that doesn't inconvenience my job. I also acknowledge I'm extremely fortunate to have used oral contraceptives with no side effects.

Am lying in bed today in the heat wearing an enormous nappy catching loads of peri menopausal period blood sticking two fingers up at Lia Thomas winning ‘woman of the year’

On the NHS thread that was just deleted. There was someone (apologies I did not get the name) who really lit my thinking on this.

it was much better expressed than this but along the lines:
🚂women demands based on their gender (using single spaces, sports, etc) are actually claiming rights that exist because of biological differences between the sexes.

This idea of TWAW is the latest manifestation of misogyny. Women are a figment of certain men imagination. Their idea of what a woman is consist of what men think (womens perspective, experience and voice is minimal in the culture we live in, as the sex Ed in our schools demonstrates).

Having said that I have heard a few testimonies from transsexuals that get it and see clearly how male is the attitude of colonisation that some new transgenders are taking.

BTW does anyone know how to see deleted threads? Thanks 🙏