trans supporters and tactics

Most of the feminist discussions have moved outside of mumsnet unfortunately.

Really? So MN setting up a special board because some posters pushed hard for it was a waste of time then?

Most of the feminist discussions have moved outside of mumsnet unfortunately.

Quite.

Maybe it's time to drop the 'Feminism' prefix and just have this board titled 'Sex and Gender Discussions'

No, maybe it's time to recognise where most of the feminist discussions are happening and merge the two boards back together again.

Part 1 grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document

Part 2 grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document-78d

Part 3 grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document-part-3

Mumsnet discussions here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3756354-RollOnFriday-law-firm-writes-report-called-Only-adults-Good-practices-in-legal-gender-recognition-for-youth?pg=1

Discussion on Dentons

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

James Kirkup in The Spectator

www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/amp

Maybe it's time to drop the 'Feminism' prefix and just have this board titled 'Sex and Gender Discussions'

Oddly, the dedicated feminists who demanded the New Special Naice Board seem to have vanished like summer dew ...

22 pages of threads on Feminism Chat as opposed to 795 pages of threads on the Sex & Gender Board.

That's right, I recall some posters being told with great glee that they were not to post on the New Special Naice Board.

Oddly, the dedicated feminists who demanded the New Special Naice Board seem to have vanished like summer dew ...

Also, the demand to know why other subjects apart from sex and gender are discussed on the Sex and Gender board and not the barely used Feminism:Chat board despite the fact it was made abundantly clear at the time of the Great Divide that those who held GC views (as a wide ranging term) were not welcome on the Feminism:Chat board. I don't even bother looking at it because everything is discussed on this board anyway.

Ooh, yes - campaign hard for a separate board where all the 'sex and gender' threads can be corralled, then point at said board and ask why all the threads are about 'sex and gender' and claim that is evidence of feminists' 'obsession'.

See also: Report threads on here and try to get them put in the other board where nobody ever goes and report any vaguely 'gender' related threads anywhere on MN to try and keep them hidden away on this board.

As we appear to be nearly done I would like to add- links to pinknews, inews, etc. As if they are impartial reporters rather than fanatical zealots.

Always worth mentioning again, as it has been mentioned before, the usual ‘it cannot be indecent exposure for a male to be undressing in a female single sex facility if they are trans’.

Often deployed by a male who has absolutely no lived experience as a female, but feels they can admonish and shame women for not wanting to see penises in changing rooms.

It has been used tonight in fact on another thread.

Or demand to know why sex and gender issues are being discussed on a board titled 'Feminism:Sex & Gender discussions'.

Remarkable isn’t it.

And those who disappear off a thread after a few deletions and no answers or acknowledgement that they are posting completely unevidenced bollocks but keep turning up the next week.

Some even start to gatekeep topics on FWR.

Anti-women campaigners who support the ideology of transgenderism use the fake statistic that "the life expectancy of transwomen is less than 40", which is a deliberate distortion of the fact that some transgender sex workers in some parts of Latin America were murdered before they reached the age of 40.

This fake statistic is used disingenuously to give the impression that white, middle-class, male transgender people in the developed world are ultra-oppressed.

Seems that only subscribers can read that article. Is there an easy and short summary of its arguments?

Silencing. Perhaps the most common strategy of all, clear from the #nodebate hashtag on Twitter and elsewhere, but even before that became so common I saw an incredible number of those gifs where a Japanese cartoon anime girl aims a gun at the reader of the tweet and the bottom of the gif says Shut Up Terf.

I thought that had passed out of fashion, but have started seeing it again recently, and, of course, just lots of tweets saying shut up, TERF.

Using extreme language comes close to this, because if any questions get the response "you don't want us to exist" or "your words kill a trans person somewhere right now" the result would be the same: Any debate is the same as genocide.

This recent CNN article was a classic of the genre and led me to delete the app.

edition.cnn.com/2022/07/17/uk/uk-conservative-leadership-trans-intl-gbr/index.html

Women's rights were described as 'anti-trans positions'

"One of Sunak's first policy pledges, after he announced his intention to run, was protecting "women's rights,"

It couldn't actually be about protecting women's rights - let's put that phrase in inverted commas.

polling suggests culture war issues, like trans rights, do not preoccupy the day-to-day lives of the British public,
No-one cares about this - why are you wasting everyone's time?

Descriptors like "biological woman" are considered slurs by trans advocates when they are deployed by gender critical activists
Reframing normal language to be offensive.

the sex one is assigned with at birth
Can a nurse do that or does one need a consultant?

suggesting gender does not exist and that a person is the sum total of their reproductive organs is reductive
Conflating recognising sex with the assignation of sex-based roles and expectations.

erasing the existence of trans and non-binary people
Aways erasing...

gender critical views, parroted by a largely sympathetic British press,
Easy vote-winner for a bigoted public who haven't looked into the issues

"We've got major cost-of-living crisis, we are facing down a global climate emergency, there is war in Ukraine... (and we are) dealing with the aftermath of Brexit -- the fact that the media are asking so obsessively about (trans) issues, and candidates are all being expected to pronounce their views on trans people's place in society is so disproportionate and scary," for a group that only accounts for an estimated 0.6% of the population, Kelley said.
SQUIRREL!!!!

Transphobia might not be an electorally viable strategy, but that has not stopped this year's leadership hopefuls.
Women's rights=transphobia

This place (England) is just so transphobic now that I don’t feel safe and am going to leave the country.

if only.

Re the ‘argument’ about having a gender neutral toilet at home - I know they are grasping at straws then. It’s quite fun demolishing it.

I know!

My husband will be cooking dinner tonight. Also trans.

It surely must be parody. And yet....!

There seems to be a big push amongst some trans women to dismiss "butch" women as not actual women. This was most notable after JKR hosted her lunch, and twitter was awash with "well I'm more of a woman than THAT!" comments.

A certain TW who has the name of a country is full of those sort of comments and yet I thought it was all an inner essence that no-one can see therefore the outside wrapping is irrelevant. More contradictions.

Aye, the inevitable ageist comments on the desirability of women and feminists. Comments on womens' breasts, body, skin, face. On our age, lack of sexual attractiveness. The endless sexist insults: witch/bitch/viper/hag

I recall Sally Hines saying something to the effect all GC feminists just needed a good seeing-to.

Ah, yes. 'GC feminists are all about preserving sex stereotypes and punishing gender non-conforming people', despite the fact that most feminists are gender non-conforming themselves and many are lesbians or bisexual. A classic.

See also: 'Male violence is definitely feminists' fault'.