“Trans womens rights are womens rights”

Can you imagine them saying disabled rights are also gay rights or employment rights are animal rights?

It's just so fucking stupid.

I’m fed up with Labour qualifying women’s concerns as scaremongering. Angela said it too.

My MP repeats this to infinite when I sent my concerns. He wants to educate me and dispel my misunderstanding! I have gone from reasonable debate (although little engagement on their part) to consider them b***ds too happy to throw me and any inconvenient woman under the bus!

When the majority of women’s rights are centred around our biological and bodily needs, how CAN transwomen’s rights be women’s rights?

Same rights for different reasons.

Female people need these rights to mitigate the biological consequences of being female-bodied and the social consequences of being female-bodied in a society organised around male norms.

Trans women need them as public confirmation of their status as women.

The problem that needs to be faced by those who support the latter purpose is that it undermines the former.

This has been her position for a long time. She was also a big fan of lily madigan.

Pushing the agenda onto women again. So tired of everything being for women to sort out whilst the men sit back and watch and remain unaffected. Shove off Raynor.

Where have you been? She's been batshit mental on this issue for years.

Yup this.

Oh no! She's one of my favourite politicians too. I'm really disappointed now
Have loved watching her tear strips off Boris

It’s just so dishonest, trying to get away with meaningless catchphrases and weasel words whilst pretending there’s no clash of rights. Boris ultimately paid the price for his dishonesty and I hope Labour soon realise that the electorate are fed up with politicians who can’t be straight with them.

Dear Angela

Stop pissing down my back and telling me it's raining.

Love terry x

When the majority of women’s rights are centred around our biological and bodily needs, how CAN transwomen’s rights be women’s rights? 🤨

She can't be stupid to have got to the position she's in.

But it's all the worse when people who aren't stupid say stupid things.

AR can accept there is genuine concern over women only space.
She should have stopped there.

To paraphrase other posts and comments I've seen, what does she or anyone mean by 'trans'? Who is it whose rights need to be protected by her and her party? I wish journalists would start probing on this. People think they're sticking up for a tiny group with a debilitating psychiatric disorder, but trans now includes those who identify as 'genderfuck' (per Nolan podcast).

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These ad hominem attacks add nothing to the debate and are really distasteful.

At this stage, after women being expelled from the party and so many of us writing and flagging the issues over the past 4 years, bringing this up on the doorstep time and time again to be told 'it doesn't come up'. Labour is lost. It is purposeful. They are actively the anti-women party.

Exactly. So how does that fit in with Rayner's view that "trans women's rights are women's rights"? Is she unaware of this case? Or aware of it but doesn't understand it? I find it impossible to fathom how a Labour Party politician has so little interest in the welfare of the most under-privileged people in society (female prisoners) that she is fine with making them share prison space with violent male offenders. Seriously, what the eff is wrong with her?

She’s so dense light bends around her

What an unpleasant comment.

I disagree with Angela Rayner and her views on trans women without resorting to this.

@VestofAbsurdity you are absolutely correct-Equal Marriage was brought in by the Tories

Many women left school with more babies than GCSEs because many girls were thrown out of school as soon as it was known that they’d become pregnant. I bet that there’s absolutely no official statistics on the number of boys who fathered a child before they left school though. Your comment is about as nasty as it gets.
Angela may well be unlikeable - but as I’ve never met her, I can’t comment. Also, as I’ve never seen her IQ test results, I also can’t comment on her level of intelligence.

Labour show us once again that they're totally incapable of protecting actual women's rights. Never a mention of transmen, always the TW

Urgh the fawning over the trans caller and the subsequent fawning over the man directly after.
I dunno about Raynor being 'woke', I feel she needs to wake up to the fact this is a men's rights movement.

To be fair, I don't trust any party with this issue but Labour do seem to take one step forward (Rachel Reeves) and three back.

I am not sure what Angela Rayner's personal history has to do with this though and, given the number of academics in thrall to this belief, I think sneers about her education say far more about the poster than they do about her.

Meanwhile, a couple of tweets down on the LBC Twitter feed, they link to this story
www.lbc.co.uk/news/transgender-prisoner-impregnates-two-inmates-at-us-prison