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Single Sex Toilet issue creeping into everyday life?

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BoredofthisCrap7 · 17/07/2022 18:37

Just back from holiday in Cornwall.

Using the female toilets (public toilets) was very interesting.

Myself and two teenage daughters faced with fully grown man in the female toilets. These were public toilets, there was a female block, a male block and a disabled toilet. All open.
I was finished first and was outside waiting for my girls, when a strapping muscular 6 footer walked over to the male toilets, walked back out again, walked over to the ladies and checked the sign on the door (so knew it was female), then proceeded to go in anyway.
I followed him in to make sure my girls were okay. As they came out and stood at the sinks to wash their hands, he came out of the stall, over to the sink and stood there quite unperturbed washing his hands.

My daughters were mortified.
It did however give me a very good chance to explain the whole issue to them, including the fact that someone doesn't have to LOOK like a woman or make any changes at ALL to "identify" as a woman, which would (under self ID) give them the right to do this.

This man was in no way "trans" but it made me wonder if some men just feel now, that they can do whatever the hell they want in women's spaces and not have any deterrent or embarrassment about being there.
It was very intimidating - I did give him the evil eye but didn't feel like I could say anything to him, he was enormous.
There was no attendant to speak to.

Are women's spaces under such attack that even "normal" men think they are open to everyone?

On the flip side, I was recently at a concert where an older gentleman accidentally came in to the female toilets while I was at the sink (in fairness they were badly signposted). He was completely mortified, apologised profusely, and left immediately. THAT is how a decent man behaves when they find themselves in a woman's space.

OP posts:
jenny5000 · 18/07/2022 10:31

YANBU.

SweetSenorita · 18/07/2022 10:31

PeppaPigIsAnnoying · 18/07/2022 07:01

If he had was 5ft tall would you have said something?

FFS. Catch yerself on! His height is of no relevance. He's male and shouldn't be in the female toilets. At all. Ever!

CorvusPurpureus · 18/07/2022 10:28

maddy68 · 18/07/2022 10:21

So youve used a airline or train loo ? Or gone into a small cafe with only one loo

Individual cubicals are not a threat. Go to the one with the shortest queu

No thank you.

Like 95% of people, I would prefer to use single sex facilities when out in public, especially if they are cubicles.

Individual self contained toilets on planes & trains I can live with, although I avoid using them where possible.

If a restaurant or venue has chosen to have unisex loos, they've chosen to do without my future custom & can expect me to review accordingly.

These toilets, however, were single sex, but some bloke decided to ignore that, at best because he's an entitled arse who doesn't care about making women & girls uncomfortable, at worst for nefarious purposes, & most likely, frankly, because he gets a nasty little buzz out of it.

Still no thank you.

Iliveonahill · 18/07/2022 10:28

The issue that terrifies me is that I’m followed into a cubicle by a man. This is more likely in mixed sex toilets.

SkeletonFight · 18/07/2022 10:26

maddy68 · 18/07/2022 10:21

So youve used a airline or train loo ? Or gone into a small cafe with only one loo

Individual cubicals are not a threat. Go to the one with the shortest queu

It's not just in the cubicle - it is the whole of the area. Sometimes you just aren't feeling very well in all kinds of ways and want a bit of respite away from the male world. It's not just about physical safety - it is about mental comfort too.

SweetSenorita · 18/07/2022 10:26

Penguintears · 17/07/2022 22:50

The thing I'm most shocked at is the number of women defending this man or trying to find excuses for him.

So am I 😤

bellinisurge · 18/07/2022 10:24

Men get off on making women uncomfortable and testing their boundaries. Probably wanking over it later.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 18/07/2022 10:24

Yeah, cubicles are so safe. Oh, wait! They really aren't are they? Unless they are properly built and do not open onto an enclosed space.

Why is it so hard to understand? The kind of man who would use women's loos without so much as a by your leave is not the kind of man you would challenge.

My DH wouldn't do it. Not even dickheadBIL would do it. Do you know any male who would?

bellinisurge · 18/07/2022 10:23

"So youve used a airline or train loo ? Or gone into a small cafe with only one loo "

These are individual cubicles not a toilet block. F. F. S.

bellinisurge · 18/07/2022 10:22

"He could have used the empty disabled toilet."
No thanks. I have MS. I need a disabled toilet.

maddy68 · 18/07/2022 10:21

So youve used a airline or train loo ? Or gone into a small cafe with only one loo

Individual cubicals are not a threat. Go to the one with the shortest queu

EmmaH2022 · 18/07/2022 10:12

Yes, of course men think women’s spaces are fair game now. That’s a large part of the problem and has been from the start.

334bu · 18/07/2022 10:09

If he had was 5ft tall would you have said something?

A 5ft tall man is still way stronger than the average woman.

SkeletonFight · 18/07/2022 10:09

I'm an older woman and I would definitely have said to him " sorry do you realise this is the ladies toilet?" to see what he said. He sounds like a rude prick and I believe that it is up to us to politely challenge these men. I understand that surprise initially takes over but I intend to challenge them every single time and I am 5 feet 2 🤨.

Imnobody4 · 18/07/2022 10:01

A man deliberately goes into the ladies while it's occupied and a woman standing outside. He doesn't apologise or explain - the very least I would expect when he's invaded someone else's space.
But no he's the victim. Maybe he didn't see the Op or her daughters, women can be invisible to men, it's not his fault.

Or maybe he's just an entitled idiot who thinks he's the only one who matters. Or maybe it's worse, could be this was a trial run and it was so easy.

darcyesque · 18/07/2022 09:36

Get ready to challenge cos it will happen more and more. If the male loos were unusable the normal thing to do is say , excuse me, apologies, is anyone in there, I'm just going to go in when it's empty bc the mens are broken etc

This is misogyny

BoredofthisCrap7 · 18/07/2022 09:33

Interesting replies, thank you to all who have contributed.
For those asking why there would be a queue (or busier) toilets in the men's - it was very near a beach in Cornwall, there were loads of surfers and people doing other kinds of water activities.
Most of them seemed to be men - I presume there were just more men than women in that particular area of the beach.

I think what got me thinking was the two very different reactions of the men I have encountered in women's toilets in the last month. They were of two different generations and reacted very differently.
It makes me sad that younger men seem to feel no compunction about being in what was always a traditional female space, felt no desire to hurry up and get the hell out, didn't stop to think they might be threatening and intimidating, or simply didn't care if he did.

10 years ago, or even 5, I doubt any young man would not have rushed right out of there once he saw a woman and two girls inside.
Now it feels as though that boundary is gone.

Anyway, he KNEW it was the female toilet, he looked at the door before he went inside.
And went in regardless.

OP posts:
meercat23 · 18/07/2022 09:31

PegasusReturns · 18/07/2022 09:04

Every single restaurant you go to where the toilets are unisex, complain or write a review. 95% don’t want mixed sex toilets, make it clear.

Yes to this. Every single time.

CriticalCondition · 18/07/2022 09:31

My experience is that neither men nor women like sharing toilets.
I had experience of mixed sex toilets recently in a restaurant. It was abroad but it was a large private works do which had booked the entire restaurant. There were two separate doors about 20 feet apart marked with the usual men and women symbols but they opened into the same space with basins in an open area and half a dozen stalls.
Without exception every time someone left to go to the loo they were warned the loos were mixed sex. People were clearly very uncomfortable about sharing with the opposite sex even with people they 'knew'. It's not just an issue of safety, it's dignity and privacy too.

KittenKong · 18/07/2022 09:06

And shop, cinema, theatre, school, office… if I read a review that included ‘unisex loos’ I’d choose elsewhere. I’m paying good money - so I choose somewhere that wants me.

PegasusReturns · 18/07/2022 09:04

Every single restaurant you go to where the toilets are unisex, complain or write a review. 95% don’t want mixed sex toilets, make it clear.

PegasusReturns · 18/07/2022 09:03

This is what we will have to deal with now. So fucking sick of people who are “not bothered” giving away our rights and jeopardising our safety.

Single Sex Toilet issue creeping into everyday life?
silentpool · 18/07/2022 09:02

I was unhappy the other week in a family restaurant to find the toilets were unisex. I was pleased that I had accompanied my niece! I don't feel comfortable letting kids go in alone with all of this.

Floisme · 18/07/2022 08:53

This thread is like a microcosm of the last 18 years and a great demonstration of how gender ideology was able to take such a grip - not because people believed it but because we search for good intentions even when all the evidence suggests there are none.

Not only would decent men have handled the situation very differently, I doubt whether they would give this guy anything like the leeway he's been getting on here.

Tabasco007 · 18/07/2022 07:05

NuffSaidSam · 17/07/2022 18:53

But he wasn't disabled. Isn't using (and therefore blocking) the one accessible toilet worse than using one of six toilets in the women's block?

I don't think we know there were 6 stalls in the men's and also they didn't all need to be broken, perhaps there was a flood and the whole place was out of bounds? It seems unusual that there would be a queue in the men's but none in the ladies.

I guess if that was the case, then he could have explained that the mens we're unusable, apologised and made them feel more at ease. I also don't think that all the mens cubicles would have been out of action. Sadly I'd say he thinks he's a women, and/or enjoys making women feel uncomfortable.