Is it now the norm for the BBC to lie?

i do not believe that anyone who has any knowledge of women's rights and the trans debate, does not know who Fallon Fox is. And if this is really true that Justin Webb did not know - then he really ought to be more widely read and look at the sources of information he uses.

I don't believe what Justin Webb would have kept quiet about this had he known.

I'm with Pluvia, Webb was very senior in BBC news in the US for nearly a decade until he returned in 2009 to front the Today programme, I think while in the US he was exposed to identity politics and didn't like what he saw, and since he's returned he's seen its rise in the UK which is now why he's a leading BBC voice against the excesses of identity politics, of whatever form, including the gender identity ideology.

In looking around for this post, I had a look at Webb's Wikipedia entry and found this strange account:

In 2022, the BBC said Webb was not sufficiently accurate when he described the philosophy professor Kathleen Stock – who resigned following protests over her views on gender identity and transgender rights – as being "falsely" accused of transphobia. However, said that it was accurate to describe her as a subject of abuse by students.[17]

"The BBC is full of backroom staff who are very pro-trans/anti-women."

Extremely accurate

I'm quite prepared to believe Justin Webb didn't know about FF but the show's researchers would have done. Same with Jeremy Vine, though the latter's faux naivety grates. I'd bet there was a massive showdown in the production office after the FF programme. But the question remains - what are the BBC going to do about this issue?

Fuck all, it would seem.

Yes, the state owned media lie to their people.. Did you think that was just for "other" countries?

they even have us pay for it. It's free in North Korea.

She was disciplined after speaking out against gender ideology and not allowed to cover the topic again. She left in protest and has since written about it. Where have you been the last few years?

Ah I just thought it was odd to describe someone who hosted a daily live show on Radio 4 for 30+ years and then chose to leave to become a Daily Mail columnist three years after she wrote the offending article (a very slow reaction if resigning in protest) as having been silenced.

She was disciplined after speaking out against gender ideology and not allowed to cover the topic again. She left in protest and has since written about it. Where have you been the last few years?

Justin Webb has been bravely and openly criticising gender ideology on Today for the last couple of years. He used to be the BBC US correspondent and I think he was aware of how toxic it was before he came back to London. I'm inclined to believe him if he says he had no idea, because I think otherwise he would have called FF out on his words.

The presenters of Today have to rely on researchers and behind-the-scenes journalists and I imagine that a few researchers are TRAs (as urged to be by the trainers the BBC has employed). Probably the researcher involved phoned around trying to find any transwoman in sport and Fallon Fox was the only one available, possibly at short notice, and due diligence wasn't carried out.

As I said, Justin Webb has been one of the good guys and I don't think accusing him of lying is helpful.

My hunch is that Justin Webb didn't know, but his researchers/producers did. Presenters rely very heavily on their teams to do the work beforehand, and obviously if a researcher knew who Fallon Fox was, they knew about Fox's history.

The BBC is full of backroom staff who are very pro-trans/anti-women. This is presumably why on the PM programme they keep wheeling out a well-known trans activist academic to opine on women's sport.

Would be great to see a media leaders debate with Paul Brand (ITN) Jess Brammar (BBC) Louisa Compton (Channel 4) all having to answer if they believe - or even think it's possible - that males can be women. It would explain a lot to a lot of people

Run and staffed largely by transactivists/ppl who believe TWAW is probably more accurate

'Is it likely the presumably-mendacious one got in trouble for this? It’s a bit shit for Justin Webb if he’s made to look stupid by some one else’s half-assed research and has no recourse.'

The producer won't get in any serious trouble because BBC News and current affairs is basically run by transactivists

Many posters in this section have routinely complained to the bbc over their continued use of FF. I for one have had many a patronising response from various producers, they just don’t care and will continue to use this person irrespective of any further complaints. They really are an embarrassment.

On this incident - the behind the scenes producer has one job - find the guest, write a brief, prep the presenter. So it's incompetence or mendacity.

Is it likely the presumably-mendacious one got in trouble for this? It’s a bit shit for Justin Webb if he’s made to look stupid by some one else’s half-assed research and has no recourse.

And yes they silenced Jenni Murray. Absolutely 100 per cent. Source: trust me bro but actually, just trust me. She was deliberately silenced

The BBC has been lying about this for sometime. It lies on its news pages so why wouldn't it lie in its response to complaints. Obviously it lies. On this incident - the behind the scenes producer has one job - find the guest, write a brief, prep the presenter. So it's incompetence or mendacity. Pick your fighter

Umm…because she said so herself?

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8799931/amp/DAME-JENNI-MURRAY-cancelled-BBC-adore.html

There were a couple of threads about this at the time. I don't think Justin Webb was lying when he said he didn't know. He has been one of the few reporters who has not been afraid to challenge interviewees about this topic. As he said himself, he thinks he is one of the more knowledgeable reporters on transgender rights but he also has to cover every other news story. He doesn't choose the guests. That's the job of someone on the production team. I am not sure whether it was sloppiness on their part or if someone thought they had selected a suitable choice of guest.

I understand why Fair Play for Women complained but it's important to recognise that The Telegraph has its own reasons for negative reporting about the BBC.

I just can't forget that BBC R4 was the station that silenced Jenni Murray.

Eh? How do you figure that out?

I just can't forget that BBC R4 was the station that silenced Jenni Murray. There are definitely people around there who know exactly what they're doing.

And as to not knowing about FF's behaviour..what was it about FF that attracted their (researchers'/producers") attention if it wasn't the only thing anybody knows FF for?

Um...it wasn't just a wee fib, but a major cover up. It kind of took the idea that you can trust the bbc and crapped all over it. Have you been convinced that anything has changed based on the last decade's bbc behaviour? If so, please share with me what did it for you, as it would be refreshing to see something good. I'd love to believe things have changed.

It's the same as when they kept on hiring Jimmy Saville even though they knew what he was up to.

The BBC don't care about women & children.
They don't even regard it as lying if the only harm comes to women & children.

They are corrupt & need to be disbanded as they have a deeply entrenched decades long culture of facilitating & covering up abuse.

So because some people at the BBC covered up sexual abuse in the past (just as people in many other organisations have done), the producers of the Today programme are definitely liars?

Watching BBC news just now, a Northern Irish woman, talking about abortions there, actually used the phrase 'people with uteruses'. The word is 'woman'.

BBC have been lying for years. Decades actually. Jimmy Savill. All the top djs of the 70s who've since been imprisoned for sex crimes. All the other things I'm sure have been covered up or hidden, because of god knows what reason. The victims are always primarily women and children of both sexes.

I don't know why anyone expects anything different.

Yes, they're lying. If not all of them, some of them definitely are.