Simon Rimmer's inadequate facilities

I have endometriosis. I know about heavy flooding periods.
i can say, hands on heart, I haven’t ever washed my knickers in the sink (why would I do that? They will be wet through). Nor have I seen someone doing that.
i simply have a spare pair of pants with me. I’d say that’s what all those women with
flooding periods do. At least all the ones I’ve talked to, wo exception.

Scampi are you disabled?

The whole point of the thread and the issues with this particular provision is that these particular cubicles don't include basins etc.

I'm poor at managing periods so blood on clothes isn't unusual for me. With 51% of the population menstruating for some years of their lives, it isn't an extreme situation, it's totally normal. To call it extreme is misogyny. I am often wearing dark trousers so I don't always bother to wash them at the time, true. I'm also sometimes incontinent so manage that in toilets too. Incontinence is more common in women so that's a sexed issue too, though not entirely. My partner is about to start treatment for prostate cancer and is likely to have continence issues too.

If you would see someone washing their bloodstains out if their clothes in a toilet and would leave, why? To give them privacy? Bingo. Why do they have to wait for you to give them privacy? Why can't they just have it?

More likely you wouldn't realise what or why they were doing it and would stay, increasing their embarrassment.

I went in the single sex toilets in Morrisons; there was a very elderly there who had 'had an accident.' She was pulling up her knickers out in the hand washing area. She was slightly embarrassed but not too much, as we're both women.

Went there a week ago. The toilets are now unisex. Imagine if she was in there and a man had walked in. So vulnerable. I complained to the manager. At first he tried to reassure me, then he admitted that they had had lots of complaints, and he wasn't happy about it either. He said he was feeding back to head office.

Youve done that in public toilet?!? Really?

i never have nit have I ever seen a woman doing that.
mid i have blood in my hands, I clean them with toilet paper before going out. Very little to see when I wash my hands in
the bassin. Like any other woman?

Given about one percent of the population are trans, and this is one restaurant, I can't imagine it's going to hinder the people who are disabled (to the extent that they need an accessible loo) that much to share. It's certainly better than them having to share with the 98% who don't want to use mixed-sex spaces.

Have you never leaked on your clothes, not just knickers, in your whole life? I do not believe you, unless you're a lucky person with v light periods.

If that's the case, I kind of hope you get fibroids, with flooding, like 1 in 9 women do prior to menopause, to teach you a some compassion, although it's not an experience I'd wish on the worst enemy.

If you think that's bad just wait till you find out what some men do with used tampons and sanitary towels

just because you haven’t seen something…doesnt mean its never happened

And on a separate note

and if mixed sex toilets are such an awesome thing why didn’t we have them…and I’m not accepting any answers along the lines of ‘to keep women down/in their place’ because we all know thats utter bollocks and frankly i get that cringy embarrassed feeling when i read those posts so fuck knows how the writer of such posts feels

I’m sorry - but the logical solution is not to hand over the accessible toilets that disabled people fought long and hard for to trans people. The accessible toilets are the difference between people with a disability being able to participate in society and them being prisoners in their homes.

Trans people can fight for their own spaces - not take them from disabled people or women.

And how he asked. I’d be gobsmacked if 1. A definition of trans was used 2. It was made clear that the vast majority of TW are intact males 3. It didn’t imply only horrid ppl would say no

Where I work there is a single loo cubicle just off the staff room. It’s all self contained - loo, sink, hand drier, San pro bin. A few of my colleagues have said that they wait until the staff room is empty because yes, you can hear peeing, opening tampon packs, farts… and this is more so when male colleagues are around. These are mostly young women who are supposedly the ‘new gen who love gender free’ stuff.

and what’s that about not getting bloody hands - I certainly do now and it’s horrible enough in a self contained loo. Communal sinks would be really awful, especially if there are men in there - can you imagine a helpful ‘have you cut yourself?) comment. 🥺

It's the girls I feel for the most: new to the whole business of menstruation and struggling with erratic and / or unexpectedly heavily periods. Yes I've seen it, yes I remember it myself, and it's distressing and mortifying enough without throwing men into the mix. I have no intention of risking a deletion by saying what I think of anyone - let alone fathers of daughters - who try and wave this away ok but trust me, it is not kind.

According to Maya we have the law on our side so he'll have to do more than that.

NGL, I'll be happy to see this misogynist defeated.

Depends who he asked and how… and if he did.

will he back down and apologise?

But these are NOT fully contained cubicles. The sinks are in a mixed sex communal area.

I far prefer using a fully contained cubicle when I'm on my period. If I have leaked or got blood on my hands I'll use toilet tissue to mop up and change underwear in the cubicle. Then wash my hands thoroughly as I would no period. But not ever in my life have I done, or seen a woman washing out bloody pants in the sink. Using that as a reason against unisex toilets makes you look batshit.

That is truly disgusting, can the men in this thread please explain why men do that?

Behold the calibre of man who is in favour of mixed loos. Yes, he is sitting on a toilet in his profile pic.

I find it very hard to believe that you've never seen a woman wash her soiled hands after changing a tampon or rinsing out her moon cup.
VERY hard to believe.

who wipe their spunk on handles or toilet roll. (Yes, there are men that do this. We know because some of them film themselves doing it.)

I read a report at some point that said when tested a sample of male toilets in the pubs, bars and restaurants of Greater London ~70% were found to have traces of male ejaculate present.

And I'm another one who has washed bloody hands at the sink after removing a tampon.

"our decision to have unisex toilets was not taken lightly. We have trans and non binary customers and staff.We also have a separate accessible toilet for any person who finds the unisex toilets unacceptable. We listen to feedback from customers constantly"

Given how small the percentage of trans people are - and I'm hopeful that non-binary will soon be seen for the attention-seeking, 'not like other girls/boys' tosh that is is, and be painfully uncool in a few years - you'd think the logical solution would be to build single-sex loos and then keep that separate accessible toilet for disbled and trans people. But I suppose that wouldn't have been as cheap.

Why do you need floor to ceiling walls and doors? And basins inside?

Is it because they need to add all these extras so that women feel safe when men use the same space?

I wonder why?

Here's you busy trying to find ways and means to mitigate the danger, when sex segregation is far and away the most effective means. And the most desirable.

And, of course, you're not realising that it makes it just as dangerous. Having floor to ceiling doors and walls, is still dangerous for women. The space becomes secret and more impregnable. Not something you want with men around you.

This reminds me of a poster who went on and on in a similar manner. What if we raise the walls and doors. Right up to the ceiling. And put san pro vending machines inside. Oh and have sinks and dryers inside too. What then?

The lengths some people go to to make sure that woman, their spaces, their services and their biology is entirely repurposed to validate them, is unreal.

No thank you. Keep out.

Can you articulate why you think it's better for women & girls to share their bathrooms with men (who commit 99% of sex crimes) rather than to not share?