Simon Rimmer's inadequate facilities

@LK1972 I ever sais anyone was lying. That’s your interpretation and says more about you than me.

i have said that it sounds crazy to me. That I’ve never done that nor have I even thought about it. Despite flooding periods, blood all over my pants since being a teenager and now dealing with bladder issues. Believe me having heavy periods on
the top of incontinence isn’t fun.

On the top of it I have ever seen anyone doing that either
nor have I ever heard anyone saying they had done that. Maybe because they dont use ‘pads with wings’ (I’ve switched to the moon cup more than 15 years ago). Or Maybe because actually very very few people would do that.

But I stand by the fact that this argument isnt going to do women any favour.
As others have said on this thread, it’s nowhere near a common occurrence. I suspect a lot if people would find that idea disgusting (see the reaction about women washing a mooncup in said sink).
If we want to win that argument about sex based toilets, then let’s concentrate on things that people can relate to, men and women, rather than those that will make people roll their eyes. Rightly or wrongly btw. It’s just nit going to win us any votes.

Safety of teenage girls having to deal drunken men when going to the loo is going to talk to people much more for example.
So is the importance of having doors going from floor to ceilings (even when sex segregated).
etc….

Lets be truthful.

What will happen is the first drunk bloke will do what drunk blokes have always done, find a darkish corner and others will shrug and do the same.

And I do know that there are lots more arguments for single sex toilets…very good and persuasive ones (not that i think we need them)

but women and children have al sorts of accidents that they can deal with in a female toilet but would be more difficult if a male was there

id like to say it goes without saying…but apparently people have to say it

One of the lasses had a period accident at school

she washed the front part of her skirt in the loo and although it was obviously still wet at least she could pretend that she’d been spashed

Note the layout for toilets in Maya's tweet where is the little square disposal unit for period products?

Men shouldn't have access to used san-pro bins - they tend to retrieve the contents and do the unthinkable.

Hand dryers

They are also useful if you get caught in the rain.

But its not really and argument for or against that is it?

Its about how society continues to provide spaces for males at the expense of females

Note the layout for toilets in Maya's tweet where is the little square disposal unit for period products?
The nappy changing unit gets a rather small bin so it is not as if the designer did not think .. "some stuff should not be flushed, lets put in a bin"

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I mean, one week a month? How do yours work? I use tampons and that means giving your hands a careful wash as they have blood on them.

I agree my son would have been mortified too.

Many times I’ve washed part of my skirt in the toilets sink or taken my top off because I’ve spilt something. I’ve then dried them on the electric drier.

My teenage sons hate mixed sex toilets. They are embarrassed. They would end up waiting until they can go elsewhere. They really don’t want to bump into their school girlfriends in the toilets.

we need to stop this drive for mixed toilets. Single sex toilets were designed for many reasons but ultimately women’s safety and privacy. When my kids were in a pushchair I often went to the loo and left the door open so my kids could see me. How do I wash my period cup? Just awful and most men don’t want them either.

You've no idea what my personal circumstances are so you can fuck off yourself. My point is that at the moment that one accessible toilet in the restaurant is being shared by disabled people and everyone who doesn't want to use a single-sex toilet - which is 98% of people. I'd much rather share it with 1% of people than 98%.

Luna yes. The able bodied should no more be giving away disabled spaces than men should be giving away women's spaces. And individual disabled people shouldn't assume that if they don't mind, then none of us do any more than the cool girls get to decide for all women.

We're not talking about The Restaurant at the End of the Universe here 😁

not

The best argument is the one for self contained cubicles. Trouble is they are expensive in space.

It's but a 'stupid' issue due the women who need to do it FFS.

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I go to a lot of rock/ metal gigs. Males usually outnumber females by a long way but during the intervals the queues for the ladies loos are much longer.
When arenas start providing gender-neutral loos for all and the men realise how long they're going to have to queue up to take a slash you can bet they'll be wanting their single-sex loos back.

You know how women had to fight for public toilets so they could participate in society? You know how they don’t want to share with men - regardless of how they identify? Double that fight for a disabled woman.

Disabled people have had to fight just as hard to get accessible toilets for DISABLED people. We have a right to them, we (disabled people) need them. You, regardless of your attempts to shift the “problem” away from the female toilets and into the accessible toilets, can f* off with your ableist bullshit and stop giving away our rights.

As I previously said: women fought for female toilets, disabled people fought for their accessible toilets. Trans people can fight for their own.

Love the attitude-it's never happened to you, so the argument is stupid. You and antifa would get along

Yes, I have done that, more than once. Dried under hand-dryer, did not take 30 mins. The knickers are often fine, as wrapped up in towel with wings, it's a side leak on to clothes, not underwear, that I've had.

There are other examples on the tread of women doing just that. But sure, I must be lying because it never happened to you.

And where the heck do you live that you think it's lucky to have hand dryer in the toilet, is it UK, this century?

@PronounssheRa thst was NOT the case that was originally made though.

The problem with the trousers/pants washing is that it’s actually detrimental to defending single sex toilet because it makes us look stupid.
Bring real, proper arguments. Don’t create and concentrate on issues that aren’t there. It wont help.

Sex based toilets are not about washing pants in the sink.

Limited blood stain. Wash it out. Wear it wet.

If not limited then wrap a coat/jumper round my waist to hide it or just hold my bag at crotch height.

But why why why would you wash items of clothing when you can’t put them back on again????

i mean if you soil your trousers, you will wash them in the sink (Along with your pants) and then put them back on again, still wet? Is that the idea?
Or you’ll spend 30 mins trying to dry them with the hand drier - if you are lucky there is one?

can someone enlightened me as to the logistic of pants/trousers washing in a public toilet….

Yes, We have dear.

The bepenised one was kind enough to put a very nice picture up on Twitter.
The bepenised one may have managed to save on design and install costs and circulation space.

I've seen women attempting to clean up her skirt while still wearing it ditto a top when a recently postpartum friend leaked. I've also been in a toilet when a women's waters broke.

But regardless of any of that women's boundaries should be respected we shouldnt have to come up with a list of reasons why we don't want mixed sex toilets