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Leaked documents call Penny Mordaunt’s gender self-ID claims into question

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InTheCanteen · 16/07/2022 18:34

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/09d6424a-0527-11ed-b180-5ddadbc72b86?shareToken=ab59f12e25c1852284abdb714559dd1f

"Penny Mordaunt’s claims she has never supported gender self-identification have come under fresh scrutiny after leaked government documents seemed to contradict her.

Papers drawn up by civil servants appear to show that as equalities minister she was in favour of removing at least one element of the medical process required for transgender people to legally transition.

Another from February 2020 confirms that the government’s support for self-identification ended after she was replaced as the minister in charge.

Last night a source familiar with the discussions said it was proof that Mordaunt, now a contender to become leader of the Conservative Party and prime minister, had backed self-identification. They added that it directly contradicted her claim, made during the Channel 4 leadership debate on Friday night, that she had “never been in favour of self-ID” and would “not have divorced it from healthcare”."

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PermanentTemporary · 17/07/2022 06:24

I don't understand why she didn't just own it and keep advocating for self id. There's definitely a voting market for a Tory option who would support it - reduce regulation, let people live their lives, Grant Shapps stylee. She wouldn't make PM this time but it would give her a USP with a future generation. It does suggest she doesn't have much in the way of a philosophy or commitments. And that she's not the brightest or very honest, a bit apt to go along with whatever people are saying around her.

ResisterRex · 17/07/2022 06:17

This is also on the front page of the Mail on Sunday, as well as the Sunday Times:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-62194671

The MoS online story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11021159/Penny-Mordaunt-microscope-rivals-accuse-evasive-trans-views.html

Pluvia · 16/07/2022 23:14

Penny Mordaunt's twin brother is gay and was in a relationship with David Paisley.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1545092653016047616

PearlClutch · 16/07/2022 22:45

mum2jakie · 16/07/2022 18:41

Well it was pretty clear from statements made by Kemi B and Liz Truss in the TV debate that this was the case, not to mention coverage on MN back in the day. Reassuring that this is now such a toxic policy as they recognise that the general public are not supportive of self ID.

Yep. I did enjoy Kemi shouting 'tell the truth, Liz!' when Truss was questioned on Penny's account.

PearlClutch · 16/07/2022 22:44

achillestoes · 16/07/2022 18:52

Badenoch: “I’m not going to call Penny a liar. I think it’s possible she genuinely did not understand what she was signing off.”

Call an ambulance!

oof

theclangersarecoming · 16/07/2022 22:17

I literally can’t believe that her twin brother was engaged to David Paisley, but apparently it’s true!

McDuffy · 16/07/2022 20:37

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Leaked documents call Penny Mordaunt’s gender self-ID claims into question
McDuffy · 16/07/2022 20:36

Bloody hell it's the headline! 652 comments

BootsAndRoots · 16/07/2022 20:06

She's either a liar or incompetent. Both or which are not good traits for a PM, but at least a liar knows what they're doing.

It shows that civil servants are likely to push this stuff through if she was in power.

Signalbox · 16/07/2022 19:56

She’s either a liar or she didn’t understand what she was doing or she is a really poor communicator. None make her a good candidate for PM.

achillestoes · 16/07/2022 19:41

It’s all so unnecessary. She should just say what she believes.

Clymene · 16/07/2022 19:31

Another from February 2020 confirms that the government’s support for self-identification ended after she was replaced as the minister in charge.

Even if you don't care about 'the trans issue', we really don't need another prime minister who blatantly lies.

Chef's kiss to the anonymous civil servant!

SpindleInTheWind · 16/07/2022 19:08

Thank you so much for that share token for the article. Reading with interest. It's what we've all been saying on here, isn't it?

So duplicitous.

JacquelinePot · 16/07/2022 19:08

@achillestoes straight to the burns unit! 🚑

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 16/07/2022 18:52

oh dear Penny

wheels coming off?

achillestoes · 16/07/2022 18:52

Badenoch: “I’m not going to call Penny a liar. I think it’s possible she genuinely did not understand what she was signing off.”

Call an ambulance!

mum2jakie · 16/07/2022 18:41

Well it was pretty clear from statements made by Kemi B and Liz Truss in the TV debate that this was the case, not to mention coverage on MN back in the day. Reassuring that this is now such a toxic policy as they recognise that the general public are not supportive of self ID.

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