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Kemi Badenoch knows what a woman is.

133 replies

SeaweedPop · 13/07/2022 05:16

Adult human female.

In the next general election Kemi would get my vote for prime minister. Never before have I voted Tory, but I do believe that I am ready and willing to die on this hill.

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ScribblingPixie · 13/07/2022 08:37

not one message of support or direction

www.saffronwaldenreporter.co.uk/news/saffron-walden-mp-on-lockdown-6617686

gogohmm · 13/07/2022 08:36

She want to cut taxes, wants to reduce welfare benefits ... no!

Quia · 13/07/2022 08:26

Her ideas about education are shocking and will take our education backwards to the 50s. And she hasn't actually done anything for women since going into Parliament.

PurpleDaisies · 13/07/2022 08:26

She might know what a woman is but she came across as a thoroughly unpleasant person. I’d forgotten what it’s like hearing the Tory right wing views straight out of someone’s mouth accompanied by applause. Horrible.

Quia · 13/07/2022 08:23

BettyFilous · 13/07/2022 06:33

I have voted Labour (or Lib Dem tactically) all my life until this idiocy raised its head. I’m no Tory. However, all the Tory shroud waving about shrinking the state did get me thinking. We have a rapidly ageing population with a shrinking income tax base. If we want to protect services for the most vulnerable and the NHS, something will have to give. I’m not on board with many Tories’ thinking or their policies, but there is some truth in public spending being an issue we need to address. Like all the #BeKind stuff, MPs could show some leadership by shouldering the same crap pay settlements and reduced employee benefits as the rest of the public sector: You first!

Might it not be an idea to prioritise closing off tax avoidance strategies first?

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2022 08:02

I always thought if Johnson left we’d see a potential swing to smaller state and spending if not Badenoch then likely from the person opposite Sunak

Not sure who I prefer that to be yet

ElbowGreaseLightning · 13/07/2022 07:57

Kemi B is my MP and she was given this very safe seat from a retiring MP. Since then the massive majority she benefitted from has dwindled. She’s still in a safe seat, but it will erode again next election.

In a nutshell, she is a shocking MP. She has done nothing for our once beautiful town and she’s let it go down the shitter. During lockdown we didn’t hear from her. Not one message of support or direction. In fact the only time we hear from her is when many people have written to her or written letters to the local paper asking if she is still our MP, or confronting her on her vote to support some policy that further screws us over. When she is pulled up she writes long defensive and arrogant letters to be published in our paper always outlining how busy and important she is.

A lot of people in my area want her gone. She is only interested in herself. She’s a terrible local MP. I definitely won’t vote for her next GL.

Prime Minister? I’ll be surprised if she keeps her seat.

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 07:57

Octomore · 13/07/2022 07:46

The job a nurse does has changed hugely in the last 50 years. What used to be done by a nurse is now often done by a HCA who does not have a degree. Nurses do more complex work these days.

You seem to have missed that my friend was both a sister and s trainer without a degree. Her knowledge was deemed good enough to train those with degrees and they begged her not to retire because the new batch of nurses aren't nearly as practically capable.

And yes, I am well aware it has changed. As was she because it was a requirement for her job to keep up with the current medical knowledge. She studied at home her whole career.
The problem with a degree is it assumes once you've got it you have nothing to learn. My friend has more knowledge than most doctors because her role required her to stay up to date and not coast by on a qualification.

GrowlingManchego · 13/07/2022 07:57

Her proposed policies will hurt the economy and further spiral out quality of life downwards, and the poorest will be affected the most (and over half women), so no thanks.

Ramblingnamechanger · 13/07/2022 07:55

Cutting back public services and aiming for a smaller state is the very essence of conservatism. They all think that. We should not be surprised. So any acknowledgement about womens’ rights stands out. I still wouldn’t vote for any of them. Labour should be taking note of course, if they continue with their current approach.

Octomore · 13/07/2022 07:46

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 07:17

Nurses never used to have degrees. My friend was a sister for 50+ years and went on to train them. She had to get a degree whilst training others who already had them. She had to fail a lot of them. In her opinion the degree was worthless, wasted time and gave her a lot of confidence.

I'd rather have a nurse that trained in the way my friend did looking after me than one who was in the modern way. She's an excellent risk assessor, has very good instincts for when patients crash because she goes by physical signs and not book-learning checklists.

The job a nurse does has changed hugely in the last 50 years. What used to be done by a nurse is now often done by a HCA who does not have a degree. Nurses do more complex work these days.

Octomore · 13/07/2022 07:44

stilldumdedumming · 13/07/2022 06:21

Yep she will decimate public services, many of which support vulnerable women, but as long as she says what you want about the definition of a woman Hmm

This.

My feminism cares about poor and vulnerable women. Trans is not the only issue that affects them by a very long shot.

PennyMordor · 13/07/2022 07:40

I’d certainly like to know a lot more about Kemi Badenoch and how she sees the function of the state in respect of British poverty. I’d like to see some detailed ideas.

To me, her current high-end political beliefs don’t seem to have any clear and close relationship with addressing actual social problems in the UK.

I agree with her about women being female, but so do the vast majority of British people to be fair.

Mordaunt is the outlier here, and has done a lot of damage behind the scenes. I don’t think newspaper editors like her btw.

ScribblingPixie · 13/07/2022 07:37

Very concerned about her alluding to cutting the degree requirement for nurses.

I completely agree with her. People shouldn't be getting into debt to do the job. Just train and pay them.

ResisterRex · 13/07/2022 07:36

Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 07:10

Well schools could save money by for example not outsourcing RSE to dodgy organisations? Just a thought

This

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 13/07/2022 07:34

stilldumdedumming · 13/07/2022 06:21

Yep she will decimate public services, many of which support vulnerable women, but as long as she says what you want about the definition of a woman Hmm

This. @SeaweedPop this shouldn’t be the hill you die on. She’s right wing as fuck and I don’t care what words she uses, she ain’t on your side.

PermanentTemporary · 13/07/2022 07:33

Not every candidate has hacked a senior Labour politician's website or described a journalist asking questions as 'bizarre' while publishing their correspondence.

Her smaller state rhetoric is clearly deeply felt and will affect women most.

KnowButNeedU2TellMeAsItIs · 13/07/2022 07:30

Kemi Badenoch has some seriously wacky ideas about ‘anti-wokism’ and so be very careful. This is someone who not to be trusted with our rights incl womens rights.

AntlerRose · 13/07/2022 07:30

I've watched my school go from great to actually thinking the next round of cuts will make things dangerous due to austerity.

I couldnt vote for someone who said 'superfluous staff'

Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 07:28

PermanentTemporary · 13/07/2022 07:24

She's a terrible candidate with a nasty history of attacking people for petty reasons (women, as it happens). I am always pleased to see black women achieving in politics but that's the only positive I can think of for her.

You could say that about every one of the candidates, but unlike Penny, she is not a lying cockwomble who will say anything to get elected and then lie about saying it

achillestoes · 13/07/2022 07:25

Stop telling women how they should vote. Nobody is owed my vote, and if they treat me with contempt I will return the favour.

PermanentTemporary · 13/07/2022 07:24

She's a terrible candidate with a nasty history of attacking people for petty reasons (women, as it happens). I am always pleased to see black women achieving in politics but that's the only positive I can think of for her.

BettyFilous · 13/07/2022 07:21

Hiphopopotamus · 13/07/2022 07:03

For goodness sake this stuff is getting ridiculous. Have you actually read her views and policy ideas? Or has she just said the buzzword you like to hear and do you’re all in? It’s absolutely ridiculous. Why don’t you start looking at what will actually affect women in this country - economic policy, childcare, domestic violence help provision, money in healthcare and not be so bloody minded.

And at some point you might want to look at the type of people you are consistently aligning yourself with and think about what that might mean.

Patronising much?

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 07:17

anystropheus · 13/07/2022 06:58

Very concerned about her alluding to cutting the degree requirement for nurses.

Nurses never used to have degrees. My friend was a sister for 50+ years and went on to train them. She had to get a degree whilst training others who already had them. She had to fail a lot of them. In her opinion the degree was worthless, wasted time and gave her a lot of confidence.

I'd rather have a nurse that trained in the way my friend did looking after me than one who was in the modern way. She's an excellent risk assessor, has very good instincts for when patients crash because she goes by physical signs and not book-learning checklists.

Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 07:12

anystropheus · 13/07/2022 06:58

Very concerned about her alluding to cutting the degree requirement for nurses.

What? Surely that would be a good thing? It would mean more people could access nursing, and maybe a return to old fashioned nursing focused on patient care?

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