People with the capacity for pregnancy... would that be, women?

Or do we feminists not care about any of that?

i think that feminists probably care as much as you do

Make the word "woman" taboo and it's a lot easier to remove women's rights. Quite clever really.

How does it benefit women for the word "women" to only be used when it includes males?

This was a discussion about abortion, not trans rights.

yup. The key statistic in the context of the abortion debate isn’t how many trans people attempt suicide. It’s how many women will die because of a lack of legal abortion. She was unable to make that point because she was caught up in gender ideology. When you can’t even name the group who are impacted you can’t defend their rights.

I totally get not all women have “the capacity for pregnancy” but there are better phrases, depending on which group you want to focus on. Pregnant women. Women of childbearing age. Both of those make it clear this is a womens rights issue. A point this supposed advocate entirely lost.

It takes nothing away from me to recognise this.

But this woman will not even acknowledge the word woman anywhere in her argument - then goes on to assert asking for clarification of her terminology (normally a perfectly reasonable request) causes 'violence', then, as pp pointed out, segues into trans suicide stats apropos of nothing. And it means something is being taken away, before our very eyes. This was a discussion about abortion, not trans rights.

How can it be that this dogma must somehow never be questioned, and indeed must dominate, everything it touches?

So by babbling this incoherent nonsense, the left in the USA are handing this to the right on a platter, so they can use it to fuck up women's rights even more

Yes it just makes their jobs easier doesn't it. I mean if ya don't care that you can't even define yourself and there's no word for your sex class then no ones gonna think you care about abortion etc. Its over before its even started with that crap.

You can't claim to be a man or non binary then do the most female thing in the world and get pregnant and/or have a baby.

And if erasure is such a problem then why is it that its now OK that there's no word fir adult human females who don't want to be defined in a way that forces the ideology onto us..

No one needs to play along its not our job.their identity their problem and their problem only.

I feel sad that here on a feminist website people are cheering on the powerful, sneering man who set her up.

There's no doubt that she's a woman and the powerful sneering man is a man, is there?

You don't for a second actually need to ask either his or her gender identity, do you?

No-one is cheering him on, we are in despair that a woman is pretending that "man" is a meaningful description for some people who can get pregnant. It isn't.

Only women (and girls) can get pregnant. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

I feel sad that here on a feminist website people are cheering on the powerful, sneering man who set her up.

“It takes nothing away from me to recognise this”

What it has taken away from you is the ability of this woman, and anyone, to defend abortion rights. The conversation slides right off that and onto trans rights.

No, no one loves him(or knows who he is that much tbh, the post is about the video content) , but he wouldn't get as much airtime if he didn't have nonsense like this to point out to his followers...

So by babbling this incoherent nonsense, the left in the USA are handing this to the right on a platter, so they can use it to fuck up women's rights even more.

Ironic, considering the tweet gloated about a successful derailment of the abortion debate.

Are you implying that I'm stupid somehow? Are you one of those elites? Isn't that what they do?

@FireFlyBoogaloo why do you question my intelligence?

So many times on this forum I see proclamations about the value of speaking to people with a different point of view in order to promote free speech and how important debate is to democracy.

Why would I separate the tweet from the author? Trans ideology cannot be separated from the greater culture wars and neither can abortion. Isn't that what all of this is about?

The thread is about abortion rights, as was the hearing. The right is getting a lot of traction over derailing the discussion into trans ideology. That's because they they don't care about trans women while at the same time they don't care about women either, so their victory is a race to the bottom. It's a win win.

They seem to have found some aiders and abettors.

That is the same Greg Price isn't it. Do you follow him?

Are you really incapable of separating the tweet author from the obvious idiocy in the video, or are you just trying to derail this thread?

Pregnant women and then harvest their contact information and dox them without providing any medical services beyond confirming pregnancy. You know that they are planning to set up pregnancy registrations in some states here like they do in Poland. The same crisis pregnancy centers that were the subject of the testimony covered by the next witness? Any cute tweets covering that subject that you want to share? Or do we feminists not care about any of that?

That tweet is from Greg Price whose handle says "God is real and dudes rock". Is that the same Greg Price who writes for The Daily Caller by any chance? I only ask because he has more tweets about crisis pregnancy centers. You know, the ones that take government funding to help

It’s no surprise that TRAs and allies are thrilled at how she brilliantly thwarted the evil transphobe - twatter is abuzz.

Jesus Christ, I had to switch that off in sheer irritation after the suicide canard was brought up apropos of nothing.

It’s so unlikeable to behave that way. Threatening suicide by proxy to avoid answering awkward questions! I don’t think even America is going to stand for much more of being controlled and manipulated in this way. The more TRAs use that line, the less power it has.

The discussion was about abortion rights.

Where does this leave us unfertiles, with barren wombs? Or those who have had a hysterectomy?

I would interpret that as people deemed to have mental capacity to either become or cause a pregnancy... That type of obscure description makes clear communication impossible.

Trans men can get pregnant too.
You may not want to acknowledge them, say they're still women, that's why they can get pregnant but the thing is they are legally recognized as men and can still get pregnant.
They have a duty of care too.
It takes nothing away from me to recognise this. I can still get health care for my needs too.
People seem to be (on purpose, who knows?) misreading what it actually means.

@Pallisers
this. I live in the US too and can’t believe the left are handing things over to the right like this.

Hawley was being combative and disingenuous. People with the capacity for pregnancy is an awkward phrase, yes, but possibly more accurate than women in the current circumstances. Maybe such accuracy is necessary in a legal setting. Yes, she didn't handle it well politically, perhaps, but she's not a PR person or a politician. She's a legal professor. I feel sad that here on a feminist website people are cheering on the powerful, sneering man who set her up.

More utter nonsense. In future people will look back in history and ridicule our generation as the stupid ones.