Daily Mail: Young female detransitioner

16 is considered Jail bate for sex in the US, age of consent is 18 in Florida and most others if I remember correctly.

Some trans people's dysphoria is cured by just changing their appearance and not having any surgery. Some choose not to have bottom surgery due to the risks, regardless of whether that part is dysphoric for them or not.

It's the NHS who came up with that rule originally. The idea being that young people would have that appearance for a period of time before making the permanent decision.

Are there specific types of 'appearance' which are deemed suitable for only men or only women? Is there a list?

Trans people cant win here. If they dont transition, they're men trying to break into womens bathrooms, if they do transition they're wrong ans ruining their bodies, if they have mental health issues that's denied, . The other side will nor ne happy until trans is eradicated and that is wrong. They also need to acknowledge the damage they are doing with their opinions.

What do you mean by 'transition'? Many people who identify as trans make no changes at all to their bodies. Over 90% of so-called 'transwomen' have a penis and have no intention of changing that (I think it might be a lot more than 90%, but I'm not sure of the actual figure).

It seems that it's only children who are really targeted to make physical changes to their bodies, often in early puberty, when they cannot possibly understand what effect this will have on their lives as adults.

Who is really doing the damage here?

I don't believe a child can really give consent to these procedures. I also don't belive that the powerful lobby organisations give a shit about their wellbeing as it's not inevitable to feel like your body dictates your identity. I believe she was abused by gender ideology.

No, but I think sex is a pretty big deal for a person and their body. So I'm not sure why they should he able to have sex but not make decisions about their own appearance.

No, not specifically. I am saying that as above, the barriers we place in their way makes transition more likely.l (and appealing).

Not in scotland (or shouldn't be)

We can refer to them by their chosen name but not officially, on the register, or on any paperwork.

We have one transitioned who doenst hahe parental approval - all their exams were sat in their dead name.

It's the NHS who came up with that rule originally. The idea being that young people would have that appearance for a period of time before making the permanent decision.

Trans people cant win here. If they dont transition, they're men trying to break into womens bathrooms, if they do transition they're wrong ans ruining their bodies, if they have mental health issues that's denied, . The other side will nor ne happy until trans is eradicated and that is wrong. They also need to acknowledge the damage they are doing with their opinions.

My Dd is in Scotland. I had a call from School to say that she 'wants to be a boy so they are changing his name on the Register - this is a courtesy call only - we have checked his age against 'the list' & he is old enough to decide for himself'.
I pointed out that my child has Autism & selective mutism & is trying to make friends in a new school & found the LGBT++ club a friendly place for lunch ...
Scary that my child was 'outed' like this - I am supportive of my child thinking around who she is but many parents would not be. However, when I say 'supportive' I mean I am fine with her being Gay (she told me at Christmas) & fine to go on a Pride march with her, but Not Fine At All re breast binding / puberty blockers / surgery. But the Scottish Govt stance on this is terrifying (age 16 here)

What has 'they can have sex at 16' got to do with it? In this country, yes, but not universally, and the post you were commenting on didn't mention sex.

How do you live as the opposite sex? Explain how a man can live as a woman or a woman can live as a man.

The reason these children end up having these physical interventions before they're old enough to fully understand the consequences is because the trans lobby has pushed for affirmation only, and exploring other reasons why a child might identify as transgender is labelled 'conversion therapy'.

Organisations like Mermaids need to acknowledge their part in pushing these children into having medical treatment that they may later regret.

Are you saying, Beauty, that transitioners are rushing into it because of opposition to males in female facilities?

I remain opposed to transitioned males in female facilities, for what it's worth, because of the effect on the female users of those facilities; but before you blame concerned women, you need to establish whether that is actually a driving factor.

Are there more rushed transitions where people are, or are not, encouraged to use opposite-sex facilities? Is anyone collecting the stats?

They can have sex at 16.

It used to be that to get modification you had to 'live' as the opposite sector a certain amount of time.

Now, it's hardto do that, because of all tbe barriers the other side have put k their way.

That leads to desperation

Sad, really, but until he other side recognise their role, it will keep happening.
I think de transjtjonjng will become more common because they arent allowed to think ans have space to breathe and get hammered in society and online, people will take drastic measures and then regret.

No, no one is actually saying anything like that. That's a very flippant and biased way of looking at It.

I never said I agreed with it, but its perfectly legal and she doesnt have a leg to stand on.

There are so many of similar tales. I taught a student who bound her breast and took puberty blockers at school. I saw her a few years later and she told me she met her partner before having testosterone and they had a baby together and she is very happy but if she had not met partner when she did she would have pushed for testosterone. She never had any friends at school and I think she saw it as a way to be popular and more accepted.

I suppose under 18's can't give informed consent; but yes, I see your point.
We're told these people will kill themselves if their every demand isn't instantly catered for, and any psychological evaluation is conversion therapy and akin to wishing them dead.
Then you get a shitshow like this 🤷🏻‍♀️

How any parent could administer testosterone injections to a 13 year old girl, and how any surgeon could perform a double mastectomy on a 15 year old girl for a non-medical purpose beggars belief.

Sue for what?carrying out a legal medical process with her consent?

Very sad for this young woman who has to live with the consequences of what the medical profession did to her when she was just a child.

The Times is proving excellent on the overall issue but not so much from the perspective of personal experience.