Daily Mail: Young female detransitioner

I was a total TRA at nineteen, so... Resisting the peer pressure is truly difficult. Give her time.

To be honest, I'm not sure that I would have been any different had I been a 19 year old today. I like to think I would have been able to see the truth, and speak it, but peer pressure is immense at that age. They are very caught up in being 'nice and kind and righteous', it doesn't pay to be an outsider in your peer group. And it doesn't cost them much to parrot the mantras, for which they get rewarded heavily with social kudos.

Even adults struggle to stand up to this issue, so I don't blame young people for going along with this, even though it's nonsense. I'm hopeful in years to come they will see that they were manipulated.

@bebeautyisthefaceisee I don't understand people like you at all. How you will literally defend the indefensible. She was a child. She was 13 years old when she started this process. What is wrong with you?

The more I see the lengths extremists will go to, the more I realise it is a moral necessity to continue standing against this ideology and its willingness to sacrifice CHILDREN on the altar.

The whole 'Urgh don't even say that or people might die' reminds me of the worst throes of (genuine and serious) OCD, in fact.

That's one reason that I've been plainer than usual in my explanation that there is no actual way of making a man into a woman in anything other than a visual or legal sense.

Badly (sorry to be predictable but autism is involved).

@IsItShining I’m genuinely interested - how does she get through the day like this?

I’m parent to an otherwise intelligent twenty-something who ties self in absolute knots at the mention of the sexes being physically different (or surgery being less than a perfect solution, or testosterone having known side effects on the female body, or oestrogen on men’s). It’s as if the brain just sheers off and can’t think about it in case they accidentally become a Transphobe with a capital T.

And that’s just a bystander to all this going on amongst relatives and friends.

I was being a little tongue in cheek. I have no sympathy whatsoever. Demanding a serious, irreversible medical procedure without asking probably the most obvious question beforehand smacks of…not sure…immaturity? Lack of responsibility towards oneself? Being too hasty?

@beautyisthefaceisee Given that 16 year olds can't drive cars, can't join the British forces (without parental permission and even then can't go to war), can't get married (again without permission), can't leave education,
can't vote (in most jurisdictions), and in some states (including Florida, the state in which this child lives) can't legally consent to sexual intercourse - did you really need to ask that question?

Poor Freddy.
Absolutely, but for some reason my sympathy has its limits.

Poor Freddy

It’s extraordinary that a young woman who’s bright enough to go to university doesn’t realise that a double mastectomy will make breastfeeding impossible for her in the future.

Freddy McConnell blames Freddy’s surgeon for not fully explaining this when Freddy had a mastectomy and subsequently struggled with feeding Freddy’s baby. Freddy was 28 at the time, I believe. For reasons unknown not really Freddy remains silent on the issue of children having a mastectomy, despite personal experience of not fully comprehending the consequences as a very grown adult.

Yes. But it just goes to show that even university educated people may still need to have this very issue discussed thoroughly.

My very intelligent dd is off to uni in Sep. I have heard her explain the biological roots of women's oppression to her younger brother, and the biological reason for female categories in sport, yet she is also full-on TWAW and identifies as NB. There's no discussing the conflict in these with her, I'm too old and bigoted. I can only think that the cognitive dissonance is too painful to address.

And that even transitioned females satisfied with their transition can change their minds about having children.

How many of us always wanted to be mothers? I'm willing to bet that a substantial proportion of girls and young women, satisfied or otherwise with being women, change their minds about having children. It's normal!

It’s extraordinary that a young woman who’s bright enough to go to university doesn’t realise that a double mastectomy will make breastfeeding impossible for her in the future.

It also proves that there's no such thing as 'chestfeeding'.

Yes. But it just goes to show that even university educated people may still need to have this very issue discussed thoroughly.

And that even transitioned females satisfied with their transition can change their minds about having children.

It’s extraordinary that a young woman who’s bright enough to go to university doesn’t realise that a double mastectomy will make breastfeeding impossible for her in the future.

No. If that was the case, Chloe and Freddy both would have completely understood they would not be able to breastfeed
It's fairly stunning that anyone could really be confused on this matter
I also find it extraordinarily bizarre that "planned future children" are even in the equation when you're busy removing all feminine body parts and denying that you're actually female 🤷🏻‍♀️

They need to first do no harm.

And they then need to work with other organisations to ensure they are not put in a position of being abused in anyway when they rightfully refuse experimental treatment paths for young people if they feel it is not appropriate for that patient.

And to make sure through their own research and evaluation that that patient has been given appropriate care and counselling to reach their decision to have extreme, elective body modification on healthy bodies.

I don't know what doctors are supposed to do. They get accused and threatened if they don't, but they also get accused and threatened if they do.

Well, FM said the same thing. That they didn’t realise they would not be able to breastfeed after a double mastectomy. And Freddy had their mastectomy at 23? 24? While at or just after finishing uni. And here in the UK.

And we have posters stating that surgeons are just doing their job.

No. If that was the case, Chloe and Freddy both would have completely understood they would not be able to breastfeed. A surgeon should be checking that all major side effects and ramifications are well understood before slicing of healthy breast tissue.

That was apropos of saying what’s the difference between this and a 16 year old getting implants then regretting it. 16 year olds are not encouraged to get implants.

@ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus
How can anyone claim she gave informed consent, when she didn't even realise having a double mastectomy would prevent her breastfeeding?

I looked up ‘age for breast augmentation’ at random and even there a clinic stressed that they do not advise it before age 20, and even then that it is not advisable if you might wish to have children.

Schools seem to be a self ID gateway from even a young age.

The second of those exam-name information links I posted yesterday seemed to be using the Equalities Act to back up accepting any chosen/changeable gender at school; and on the exam name part says it is for the school to decide if the exam candidate’s new gender name should be used. A public exam is like a legal document in some ways. It will also mean the candidate has a certificate that begins to set their teenage decision in stone.

That’s why the Cass report says ‘affirmation’ is not neutral.

I've stopped despising the Daily Mail. I still disagree with most of its politics, but it is so right about this essential issue that I just thank god it's getting the message out. The Guardian is a disgrace.

And this story is heartbreaking. Following a biology class during which she came to the realization that she would never be able to feed her baby, Chloe said that she stopped taking testosterone injections.

How can anyone claim she gave informed consent, when she didn't even realise having a double mastectomy would prevent her breastfeeding?