Is CIS a legal term?

It's not just about this word though, is it.

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word.

But it's not just a word, is it?

It's a concept, a principle, a feature of a fundamental difference of belief with far-reaching real-world consequences.

That's why we care so much.

I don't think you should identify as a ciswoman if you don't like the term. But equally I don't think you can police other peoples' language.

It's baffling to me that you (not you personally) can literally deny the existence of trans, mock it and call it an ideology and thats OK, but people can't use a word because of what you have decided it mocks.

Your point sounds fine, but in practice it isn't. If you are denying their existence as an ideology, you are therefore against the very core of them.

Well “female gender identity” as posited by the genderists mainly seems to involve feminine dress conventions that very few biological women wear very much.

Which is one of the reasons I can’t talk myself into having one. Sod all that high heels, pearls and giggling malarkey.

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd yes, female sex is different. It's biological and not based on societal norms.

I'm a woman and I'm saying cisgender isn't offensive.

Why do your views trump mine? we are both women (I assume).

And I can't make head nor tail of this "People always know which one are the women when they need to know whose NO doesn't count."

Female gender identity is based on societal norms and stereotypes.

Which are exactly what 'gender critical' feminists are against. Not against trans people, but against the imposition of these norms and stereotypes. Do you mean that as a declared 'ciswoman' you're happy to go along with them, and for them to be imposed on other women?

I understand why feminists are doing this, even though I don't agree.

I know we (our predecessors) fought hard to get where we are.
What gets me is there was a time where women couldn't vote. Couldn't go to work. Couldn't have bank accounts.

There are children who can't go to school, women who are raped by their husband and it's fine, female children being married off at 12.

And here we are, (relatively, I'd liek to think) intelligent woman, who if we came together have and could have achieved wonderful things.

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word. I'm far more offended by the insitence of feminists to call transwomen men and transmen women. Cisgender is a word they came up with to separate you from trans. Finding it offensive, a thread to your womanhood, you're entitled to your opinion. But ultimately, we are at this over a word.

Is it worth it? Maybe, you might think so, to be terribly 'right'. But I genuinely fear how this ends for women in 20, 30 years time. I don't think you'll win this.

It makes sense if you believe you have a 'gender identity'.

Does it really though? Really truly?

I have read and read and listened and listened and I have never seen anyone explain the characteristics of a "female" or a "male" gender identity.

Top 3 anyone?

Just one?

That’s the first thing you’ve said I can agree with. That’s exactly what it is.

So female biological sex is something quite different, yes?

Female gender identity is based on societal norms and stereotypes.

Someone tell me what a female 'gender identity' is. Don't use stereotypes. I'll wait.

Cis has no legal standing in the law of England and Wales, or Scotland or Northern Ireland. AIDNAL, but unless anyone who is can show proof otherwise my view stands. And we're talking "the law" here, not "official school documents" as a previous poster cited in evidence!

Yes, I've noticed people don't respect women when they say no.

People always know which one are the women when they need to know whose NO doesn't count.

I think people are not accepting that they MUST have a gender identity and that all people MUST

You can feel you are trans or cis but .. shocker... people are different and diversity should be valued

It makes sense if you believe you have a 'gender identity'.
It's not that we don't understand what you (the PP who was quoted here) mean by it, but it's something that many of us simply don't believe in. Its a bit like I understand what a Christian means if they say they're 'born again', or 'saved'. But I don't accept that it has any basis in reality which means I have to therefore be described as 'unsaved'.

I'm a woman, not a 'Ciswoman', because I don't have a 'gender identity' (just a sex, female, and an individual character). Does that make sense?

Good point.

I don't think "transgender" or "trans" are referred to (let alone defined) anywhere in law, so "cis" won't be either.

actually, changed my mind. If "female" is a gender-identity, and my cat doesn't have a gender-identity, that means she can't get female specific cancers then. Because she doesn't have that gender-identity.

And I will never, ever have to have a smear again, because my gender identity isn't female. It's agender, acksherly. I can stop worrying about contraception too. Only females get pregnant and I'm not female, cos I is agender.

This is awesome!

What's the title of the thread again?

Give away is that she couldn’t back it up

Yet other posters are saying that they don't acknowledge the definition of cisgender because that's not what it means to them?

Yes, but you cant just say "no" and it sticks. It doesn't work like that.

If you don't understand, that's not my problem.

The answer is no.

You do not get to unilaterally change the meaning of words, and if you are going to try, you are going to come up with new words to replace them. For example, my cat.

I thought she was "female". If female means whatever you think it does, what is she, my neighbour's dog, and the horse down the road?