Is CIS a legal term?

@beautyisthefaceisee I didn't compare you to a paedophile, for goodness sake. The casual use of this term is to use self justification terms that paedophiles use.

it's feminists' way of attempting to erase it - it's not law so there.

"cisgender is just when your gender identity matches your biological sex."

So @Flolawri can you accept that plenty of women don't have a "gender identity" and want to continue to classify people (only where necessary) by their sex? And that sex matters in some circumstances, for safety, privacy, dignity for example.

Other people are welcome to refer to their own "gender identity" and organise things for themselves according to their "gender identity" but must recognise that it's not something that should be imposed on people that don't have the same beliefs.

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd gender identity is a bit weird. We're all our own versions of women or men. We all define it in our own ways.

It's not a subcategory. It's a category. And trans is far more complex than "men playing at being women", as you well know.

They are doing them. You just don't like it.

the irony is, ti's the feminists who are trying to make everyone else see things their way! "humans cannot change sex" ad nauseum - why doesnt you do you apply there?

I'm going to pretend you didn't just compare me to a paedophile, you disgusting individual. I won't be engaging with you again. I've read some bile in my time but you win hands down.

I’m confused as to how I would know if my gender identity is the same as my sex. What makes me a woman?
Going by @Flolawri ’s list I shouldn’t be a woman.

Yes so everyone keeps saying, but as I keep saying I don’t HAVE a gender identity. I have no sense of one at all. I was very very small when I realised girls were supposed to do this, wear that, play the other, and I have never wanted any part of it.

Im not really supposed to just pretend a sense of gender identical I don’t feel, am I? I cannot call myself “cisgender” prescisely because I do not have a gender identity. I thought everyone was supposed to determine their own gender descriptor?

No, but you can't treat is as one issue.

If I had a fiver for every time I said we shouldn't mock or dismiss trans as an ideology and someone said AH SO YOU AGREE WITH TAKING OUR SPACES, WE SAY NO i'd be a rich woman, despite the fact I'd actually support you on this.

I am referring to the issue at hand.

But you are ignoring people who tell you they do not have a gender identity!

I am not cis or trans because I do not have a gender identity.

I'm a woman and I'm saying cisgender isn't offensive.

And I'm a woman saying it is to me.

You do you. Leave everyone else alone. End of problem. Enact your faith how you like and stop trying to make everyone else pray with you.

Out of curiosity, why would anyone think that cis needs to be defined in law ?

A term that captures a proportion of the population that can only be identified by self reporting , that has no unified connection to anything where law might matter

• like do cis gendered women get paid less or hit on more that women without gender ?

And here we are, being rude to one another, insulting one another, over a word. A word.

Words are very important. Maybe think about some of the mere 'words' which have been used through history to describe other groups of people. Would you be telling those groups to stop making a fuss about a word? Also you are getting upset at people insulting each other? Insults are 'just words' too.

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd cisgender is just when your gender identity matches your biological sex. It's just another descriptor and is just the opposite of transgender. That's all. We're still either women or men (or neither if that's what you want). People tend to use it as a way of saying those who aren't trans, as that is all it means.

The Latin term from which "cis" is derived is actually entirely inappropriate to describd what "ciswomen" are. You had Gaul, and you had the Alps. "Trans" means "across", so Transalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul across on the far side of the Alps. "Citra" means "on this side" so

I understand that makes perfect sense to someone who feels that they have a gender identity to compare to their birth sex, but what are we supposed to do when we have zero sense of gender identity? Or don’t want to engage with external gender norms? Are we supposed to just meekly agree to be misgendered? That’s basically the rub. I have no issue with anyone else who feels their gender identity is the same side of the alps as their sex.

Right, but you understand that I’m more attached to my converse than I could ever be to heels? And I don’t like make up and I don’t want to squeak or be ladylike or behave in certain ways because they’re established female gender norms? Do you can see why I don’t feel I have a female (or any) gender identity? All I have is the knowledge of my biological sex.

I'm a woman and I'm saying cisgender isn't offensive.

Why do your views trump mine? we are both women (I assume).

You're welcome to call yourself cisgender. You can call yourself pineapplegender or giraffegender if you like. It's not a question of one individual's views trumping another's. Cis is a made-up category of human. Most people don't use it (some because they disllke it, many because they've never heard of it or, quite rightly, don't see the point of it when they know perfectly well what a woman and a man are).

The Latin term from which "cis" is derived is actually entirely inappropriate to describd what "ciswomen" are. You had Gaul, and you had the Alps. "Trans" means "across", so Transalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul across on the far side of the Alps. "Citra" means "on this side" so
Cisalpine Gaul was the part of Gaul.
Transsexual/transgendee made sense as a term to describe someone who's crossed over to the opposite gender. But cisgender doesn't make sense becausevit means someone on this side of gender. And transwoman/ciswoman dont really make sense as terms, because they imply that "woman" is a thing which neither transwomen nor ciswomen actually are, but they both on different sides of it. Like in the way that you can use the term "menopausal" but as soon as you add the prefix "pre-menopausal" or "post-menopausal" then you are no longer describing a person who is actually menopausal. Sorry, massive derail but I know a lot about Latin and only just realised how stupid and inaccurate the term "cis" really is!

I don't think you should identify as a ciswoman if you don't like the term. But equally I don't think you can police other peoples' language.

Other people can call themselves what they want. But this thread is about the absurd proposition that 'cis' is some sort of legal definition. I take it you agree with me that is incorrect and would be inappropriate?

Some stereotypes fit me. I love wearing makeup, dresses, having long hair and looking what is stereotypically a woman. I loved copying my mum when I was little. That's what my female gender identity is to me.

I don't want women to lose rights, I'm very much for equal rights. Shouldn't really have to say this though 😂

Oh good that’s ironed that one out.

Have I confused you with someone else? I thought you were defending “cisgender” as a blanket term. Maybe this thread is too busy for my overheated head,

You say cisgender isn't offensive?

If someone called a transgender person cisgender would that be offensive?

If yes , they why isn't it offensive to call any none cis-gender person cis ?

There is cis
There is trans
And there is none

Is it really that hard to understand?
It it really that hard to be polite ?