Is CIS a legal term?

Come on ladies, we need to realise that being "hurt" and "offended" only applies to one side of the debate. Come on now be kind!

I don't have a gender identity any more than I have a religion, a favourite member of BTS or a star sign. They're all irrelevant to me but if they're meaningful to you, fill your boots!

I've spent my whole life pushing back against 'social norms' and stereotypes of what I should be doing as a girl and then as a woman. Why would I embrace cs? How do you know if I'm cs?

No, just most of us have half a brain and compassion to understand that that statement is hurtful and unnecessary

It might well be "hurtful" like lots of reality is. It's very necessary though.

@Flolawri and @beautyisthefaceisee

In order to be 'cis' I have to accept and adhere to 'societal norms' and 'stereotypes' I do not do this so I cannot be 'cis'. Your definitions do not define me.

It also does not help your cause that you cannot define your definitions beyond stereotypes.

I am however the sex that I was born as. So 'cis' is once again mis-gendering me, which in the same way that I mis-gendered someone else is offensive.

People tend to use it as a way of saying those who aren't trans, as that is all it means

As I pointed out, that is inaccurate outside the limits of your belief system.

Which thread was mocking pronouns?

What was that about how "feminists" needed to understand their words had "consequences"?

When you use the word "cis", some people will see you as a like-minded individual and feel kindly towards you. Their hearts and minds will be open to you. Others will not think kindly of you. They will think of Foucault and what they know of him.

Your words have consequences on how people think of you. None of us get to decide what people think of us inside their heads. Is your problem that she has negative associations with the word "cis" or that you now know about it? If it's the first, you don't get to control people's thoughts. If it's the second, you're coming across as if it is brand new information to you that it had such negative connotations to anyone, so that's useful information to know.

I'm simply saying words are important.

No, just most of us have half a brain and compassion to understand that that statement is hurtful and unnecessary and the faux wide eyed "but its true" fools nobody.

Oh then we are at cross purposes. I think most of us have heard the definition, but are resisting other posters telling us we qualify under it.

Can I? so the battering I got for pointing out a thread mocking pronouns was not okay was uncalled for was it?

I mean, if I posted a thread taking the piss out of people offended by cisgender that would be fine, wouldnt it?

Of course "cis" is used as a subcategory. According to genderists there are women, as a category, and that category includes two sub types of women - trans women and cis women. They are most definitely separate categories, as a cis woman cannot be trans and a trans woman is not cis.

And "humans cannot change sex" isn't an opinion or a belief, it's a fact. You can go further and say that no mammal can or ever has changed sex. Trying to deny the truth of that statement is some mad kind of science denial.

I find the term cis offensive.

I burnt all my Foucault the last day of finals. (Effing panopticon.) Then had to buy it all again for PG, then binned it all again. I had no idea that was who was being referred to. Every day is a school day.

Yes you can indeed have it both ways @beautyisthefaceisee

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd I'm not trying to force cisgender or gender identity on anyone, that's wrong. I'd hate for someone to force me to be a man. I'm just here to explain what these terms are, not say that's what you should use.

Repeating the same thing without the offensive word doesnt make what you said any less offensive.

I never said I don't accept it. Have a gender identity or don't. I'm purely just stating what cisgender means, not forcing the label on anyone.

cisgender is just when your gender identity matches your biological sex

What word do trans people use to describe the biological sex class of XX? Regardless of how that person identifies?

Now there I agree with you again, and that’s because sex is just biology and gender is just societally prescribed norms.

If people want to adhere to norms that’s great. If they want to reject norms that’s also great, but personally all I have is sex and personality. If you put my brain in another body, I would just observe the sex of that body and get on with life, I have absolutely zero feeling of “brain sex” or innate gender.

So I just want my feeling of not having a gender id respected and I don’t want to be bullied into labelling myself cisgender, because I’m not.

People should learn who dreamt up this terminology.

So you can have it both ways.

Pronouns are a load of nonsense and fair play to ridicule but cis is offensive. Funny it only works one way.

I'm not "getting upset". i just think it impacts reasonable debate.

It wasn't a list for all women, it's what stereotypes fit ME

Yes you did. You implied we keep company with them. If you want to make your bold statements make them, but there is no place for them in civilised debate.

This is a women and parents site FFS.

Interestingly I have heard it say they are important when it comes to misgendering, pronouns etc.