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Is CIS a legal term?

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purpleboy · 11/07/2022 12:01

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

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bellinisurge · 11/07/2022 16:03

I judge anyone who uses it. It is an expression for ignorant wankers determined to define women out of their own sex class

Angrymum22 · 11/07/2022 14:36

No it has not filtered into official gender recording. The options are still man, women, other or rather not say.
I don’t think it’s necessary to add vis to woman when trans is far more descriptive of men who identify as women but are not biological women. It pointless and frankly insulting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2022 14:27

It's a political label that subordinates women, is often used as a term of abuse, and makes a lot of negative, prejudiced assumptions, while entrapping everyone into a belief system regardless of whether or not they hold it.

YY. It's loaded. It's not a neutral term:

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 14:24

Straight and gay are words we use to communicate relevant information about ourselves and who we may possibly be interested in sexually interacting with, and who we definitely won't be touching ever. It is a factual, measurable reality of human experience.

"Cis" and "trans" are internal, so how does your brother know someone is "cis"? Maybe he's looking at someone who is xenogender? It's like speculating what shape soul someone has. www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Xenogender

Xenogender is an umbrella term for non-binary gender identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender such as male, female, woman, man, masculinity, femininity, androgyny, neutrality, agenrinity, or outherinity. Instead, xenogenders can best be described through how they relate to things, beings, or concepts that most individuals don't think of as having to do with gender, such as animals, plants, things, or concepts. It is sometimes described as any gender that "cannot be contained by sapi understandings of gender". The gender quality associated with xenogenders is xeninity. The opposite of xenogender is anthrogender.

Xenogender individuals often have a strong understanding of how their gender feels to them, however they often find that there aren't any words for their experiences, this is called a lexical gap. In order to fill that gap xenogender individuals often describe their gender through metaphors, by saying their gender is like, is influenced by, or shares qualities with something else.

When described, xenogenders often fall into one of three categories:

Nouns and Archetypes: instead of saying how one's gender relates to masculinity and femininity, one says one's gender is, or is like, a kind of animal, an imaginary being, a part of nature, an abstract concept, or a symbol. These are called noungenders.

Aesthetic and/or Synaesthetic Perceptions: when a gender is described using things like texture, size, shape, time, light, sound, or other sensory characteristics. These can often overlap with noungenders. These are called aesthetigenders.

Neurotypes: when a neurodivergent individual's neurotype(s) is/are an inseparable part of their gender identity. These genders are exclusive to individuals of the neurotype(s) associated with them. These are called neurogenders.

FusionChefGeoff · 11/07/2022 14:23

@willowglass

Would your brother understand this:

Straight woman v bisexual v gay woman = all women hence the descriptor is fine to indicate a subset of women.

Black woman v white woman = all women

Tall woman v short woman = all women

Cis woman v trans woman Angry sets up the understanding = all women.

As this is NOT the case, the the cis is completely unnecessary and which is why it's offfensive.

Woman v man
Woman v transwoman
Woman v cat

WaveyHair · 11/07/2022 14:23

Not seen it on any official documents, surveys or work/HR communication.

It is a made up term been shoehorned into everyday use, regardless of who it offends.

Artichokeleaves · 11/07/2022 14:14

It is rather like announcing that from here on there will be Labour voters and Scum. But it's fine if you get called scum, cos it only means not a Labour voter.

It's a political label that subordinates women, is often used as a term of abuse, and makes a lot of negative, prejudiced assumptions, while entrapping everyone into a belief system regardless of whether or not they hold it.

SushiShopSearch · 11/07/2022 14:05

Of course it's not. It's an offensive term and nobody should be using it.

DialSquare · 11/07/2022 13:54

Straight woman, tall woman, short woman, fat women etc are all women. Transwomen are not. Woman is enough to describe an adult human female.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/07/2022 13:54

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:36

This is how I see it but my brother said if I'm happy to be described as a straight woman I should also accept cis woman. It's accepting many forms of sexuality descriptors but also then many women descriptors. I can't articulate it in a way he understands.

There are many types of women, but they're all female. 'Cis' is irrelevant, and muddies rather than clarifying anything.

NiqueNique · 11/07/2022 13:50

*insert to as appropriate!

NiqueNique · 11/07/2022 13:45

We already have a perfectly good word for ‘adult human female’ as opposed ‘adult human male who wishes he was female/feels like he is his made-up idea of what female would feel like’. It’s ‘woman’. They do not get to re-classify our sex to suit their agenda.

NiqueNique · 11/07/2022 13:42

Your brother doesn’t understand at all. The two are not even vaguely equivalent. And he also doesn’t get to tell you that you should be perfectly fine and happy with nonsensical gender ideology magical thinking/anti-reality claptrap being imposed upon you without your consent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2022 13:40

In others words straight means not gay and cis means not trans. His words but it doesn't make sense right?

That's nonsense, because if that was all it meant, a trans woman would be a biological female person who identifies as a man. It imposes a belief system on people that they often wholeheartedly reject.

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:38

I say to him woman and trans woman works for me.

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:37

In others words straight means not gay and cis means not trans. His words but it doesn't make sense right?

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:36

This is how I see it but my brother said if I'm happy to be described as a straight woman I should also accept cis woman. It's accepting many forms of sexuality descriptors but also then many women descriptors. I can't articulate it in a way he understands.

GrimDamnFanjo · 11/07/2022 13:30

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:28

Why does gay and straight not upset people but cis does. I don't like cis btw.

It suggests a subset of women which does not exist.

willowglass · 11/07/2022 13:28

Why does gay and straight not upset people but cis does. I don't like cis btw.

Thelnebriati · 11/07/2022 13:25

The patriarchy invented a new iteration of the mental load for women with this. Its genius really, it affects all of us and we can't opt out.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/07/2022 13:24

Georgeskitchen · 11/07/2022 12:46

Hers another question, what does heteronormative mean?
I could Google it but can't really be arsed tbh 😅

It just means straight and 'comforming'. They use to reframe straight people with no 'gender identity' as the baddies. The evil oppressors of all the genders.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/07/2022 13:01

'Cis' is the bullshit language of those who believe in the gender identity ideology used to shoehorn males into our sex class by pretending that they are a subset of the female category.

You are not obliged to use it at all. It's nonsense.

D0lphine · 11/07/2022 12:53

No it's not in law. It's just a label that has been forced on us without choice by people who are extremely particular about how we refer to them.

Artichokeleaves · 11/07/2022 12:47

No.

And there's no definition of it either.

However you are dealing with a political lobby who will look you in the eye and swear to you that left is right and up is down and that it's a fact and law and evidenced, and when you show evidence to the contrary or the lack of evidence will just refuse to look or accept that those facts exist. This is about personal realities, where selective facts are chosen and unwanted facts are blanked: you can't really expect much of a rational conversation based on any shared meaning after that. It's the fundamental problem with the whole ideology.

So this lobby spread their chosen political reality as if fact, confidently asserting it, and certainly giving the impression as much as possible that it is law, that it is so, that everyone knows it, that only old and silly bigots question it, yada yada. It's car salesman stuff, and many have fallen for it. The aim is to fix the chosen reality in place.

Hence the whopping great payouts heading the way of several women at the moment, and the massed concern in government/Cass review, and so on.

Georgeskitchen · 11/07/2022 12:46

Hers another question, what does heteronormative mean?
I could Google it but can't really be arsed tbh 😅