Is CIS a legal term?

No.

I agree.

@tobee until it comes to trans people, in which case thats dictated to them.

One year, sex and gender are different things.

The next, female is a gender identity.

No. Just no. Off you trot. You've had woman to mean whatever the hell you want. You're not having female as well.

@godmum56 and @Flolawri that's your understanding of what it means. That's not what other people understand it to mean, so don't tell me I must now self describe as "cis" just because gender ideologues tell me so.

I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex. I don't have a gender identity in the same way that I don't have an eye colour identity, a hair colour identity or a height identity... these are just simple facts about me.

<pricks up ears>

So, you've been trained on Intersex (an old-fashioned umbrella term for up to 40 different congenital health conditions affecting sexual development, sometimes called DSDs), alongside training in issues relating to LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) and TQ, have you?

Sounds so generalised that it will be useless. Approximately 150 children a year are born in the UK with one of these conditions. So you've been receiving training on how to provide pastoral support to affected children have, presumably? Or are they now expecting teachers to do the job of doctors and to provide highly specialised medical advice to children?

If the latter, I'd join a union. The job role expansion is only going to snowball from here. 29,000 children in the UK are living with diabetes type 1. Suppose they try to get you to train as a specialist diabetes nurse next?

Or is this a case of "training" where they vaguely mention as many terms as possible during the day, so that the training provider can big up the course as "covering x, y, z, gamma, beta" even though they will teach you nothing about supporting pupils with y syndrome? The kind where as many conditions as possible are named so the training providers can increase the quote accordingly? There is a lot of that about in education.

I don't think it's up to anyone else to tell me what I'm offended by.

Cis literally just means your gender identity matches the sex you were born as. It's short for cisgender. I'm cisgender because my gender identity is female and my sex is female. Just like I'm bisexual because I'm attracted to both men and women. It doesn't erase that I'm a woman, I still am. It's just a descriptor.

Are you transgender? No? Then you're cisgender. There's nothing offensive about it.

its not this either. It simply means that you identify with the biological sex that you were assigned at birth. Its like using analogue for clocks and watches...a word for clocks with hands wasn't needed until digital watches were invented. It has nothing to do with any kind of conformity or behaviour or sexual preference....you can be cis and gay.

There is a difference between vocabulary and law.

No, we are a religious society. If we weren't, we wouldnt need a term for non believers, would we?

Yes, my first ever placement actively taught it as part of the RME Curriculum. They were one of the first, I met Ian McKellen as a result.

Of course we do.

Mine happens to me that I'm fine with the word "cisgender". Others don't, but there is no" push back" because those who disagree understand that ultimately they are working in a professional environment and have to behave as such.

I'm an atheist - is that offensive to me because I'm labelled as something in relation to an ideology I dont believe in?

Presumably you wouldn't refer to yourself as an atheist if you thought it was offensive. I don't believe in God but I don't call myself an atheist and if someone else called me that I would say they were incorrect because that is not a term that fits me. Similarly I am a woman but I am not a "cis" woman because I do not "identify" as a woman. I am a woman by virtue of my biology. That is why I don't want to be called cis. Call yourself what you want but don't force your meaningless words on other people.

6 years ago? Wow

A ciswoman or man is someone who identifies as the sex they were born as.
It's not ddifficult. You might not agree with it, I would disagree but I respect hour right to , but pretending it doesnt make sense/is nonsense makes intelligent woman look somewhat silly.

Ok. It's no different to: "A sinner is someone who does not keep the rules of the faith, it's not difficult. You might not agree with it, but pretending it doesn't make sense/is nonsense makes intelligent wom(en?) look somewhat silly.'

It's not a neutral position, it's one embedded in a religious, faith based belief system. We're a pluralist society. Have your own faith and all it's freedoms, and best of luck to you. I'm an atheist. Leave me out of it.

@HappyintheHills 😂 exactly. You got there before me.

CIS = Construction Industry Scheme. Tax scheme for subcontractors. An HMRC term nothing to do with gender.

Next time someone mentions it. You can casually say: "oooh. I'm not self employed subbie but PAYE thanks" and watch the confusion on their little faces.

In chemistry cis and trans forms of isomers have a geometric difference so once we had trans, cis was used as the opposite on trans
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis–trans_isomerism

beautyisthefaceisee you seem very ready to accept whatever your school, or your training provider, tell you.

Do you, or your colleagues, have an opinion?

There would be major pushback at my school if we were told to refer to people as "cis".

Just to add the the pervious reasons.

In order to be cis, I have to identify as being cis.
As I do not identify as a gender but by my sex, I cannot be cis.

It is, to use the TRAs words against them, 'literal violence' to mis-gender me.

And fwiw, cisgender was part of rme when I started teacher training six years ago. This is nor new.

No, you just donr agree with the use. I cant bear this they disagree so they must not understand.

In scotland, the word is used in Rome, pse and in general use when he lgbtqi youth award is given.

I do think PSHE curricula will get revised a bit. It’s all been thrown in - including use of “cis” - in an effort to be kind and inclusive , which is a great intention, but it’s been done in a hurry, and the rough edges will be polished before long. “Cis” is a prime example and really is a case of “that word doesn’t mean what they think it means”.

But I dont think you need a word for 'doesn't believe in trans', do you? are we not already being hurtful enough?

I thought we were discussing whether “cis” was a legally meaningful term and whether people should accept it.

FWIW, though, I’ve never met anyone personally who “doesn’t believe in trans”. I think what is contested is how trans people get their dignity while women still keep their rights and spaces.