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Is CIS a legal term?

365 replies

purpleboy · 11/07/2022 12:01

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

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Fenlandia · 11/07/2022 17:58

Hang on flolawri 4 minutes ago you said female was a gender identity now you say female is your "assigned sex"

Which is it? It can't be both a sex and a gender identity as these are different things - they have to be in order for transness to exist

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 17:56

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:45

Tobee, can you not use Google? It's not that hard.

I have taken this quote from the government website. "Cisgender: Used in this report to refer to people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth – people who are not transgender."

I've just been using the google search engine for "Cisgender: Used in this report to refer to people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth – people who are not transgender."

Is this the page you mean?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/conversion-therapy-an-evidence-assessment-and-qualitative-study/appendix-1-glossary

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:56

Tobee, learn how to use Google. You'd learn lots of new things, how exciting! I bet you're about to explode with happiness at having knowledge at your finger tips!

tobee · 11/07/2022 17:55

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:55

I'm out, I have better things to do than try to educate those who are happy being ignorant. Have fun! 😂

Yes I can see why you might decide now is a good time to be out.

RoseslnTheHospital · 11/07/2022 17:55

@godmum56 then stop telling me that everyone who isn't trans is therefore "cis" and recognise that that term only applies to those who believe in gender ideology and who aren't trans.

Signalbox · 11/07/2022 17:55

Are you transgender? No? Then you're cisgender. There's nothing offensive about it.

Nonsense. It is common on twitter to see trans activists state that they don't identify as either "cis" or "trans". Laurie Penny being a high profile example of those rejecting both terms.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:55

I'm out, I have better things to do than try to educate those who are happy being ignorant. Have fun! 😂

tobee · 11/07/2022 17:54

I'm wondering if you know what assigned means?

It's clear that you think (or trying to persuade others to think) that a government report is the same as a law.

tobee · 11/07/2022 17:52

But the sperm & egg dont assign anything either.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:48

The doctors don't assign your sex 😂 however sex is determined assigns it, so way before you were born

DialSquare · 11/07/2022 17:46

Maybe sites should stay having a tick box for Handmaiden.

Fairislefandango · 11/07/2022 17:46

Cis literally just means your gender identity matches the sex you were born as.

There's no 'matching'. You are either male or female. Whether you decide to embrace a bunch of unnecessary stereotypes which have traditionally been associated with your sex or prefer the ones associated with the opposite sex is purely a matter of personality, and should not necessitate the twisting of existing, perfectly clear and adequate language, or the creation of new category labels for human beings (literally all of whom already fit into the existing, factual, non-stereotyped, non-personality-dependent categories: women and men).

People are welcome to decide that their own personalities and stereotype preferences put them in a new category, but they don't get to decide that means new categories for everyone else, however loudly they bang on about it.

tobee · 11/07/2022 17:46

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:45

Tobee, can you not use Google? It's not that hard.

I have taken this quote from the government website. "Cisgender: Used in this report to refer to people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth – people who are not transgender."

Can you use google?

Apollo442 · 11/07/2022 17:45

Oh so you could have been assigned male if they were in the mood? No? You weren't 'assigned' anything. Your sex was observed.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:45

Tobee, can you not use Google? It's not that hard.

I have taken this quote from the government website. "Cisgender: Used in this report to refer to people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth – people who are not transgender."

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:42

Assigned sex at birth is just what sex you are. I was born female, that is my assigned sex.

onlywhenidream · 11/07/2022 17:41

It is offensive if you don't actually have a gender

Now on the one hand that actually comes under the stonewall transgender category but many people just don't think it's a significant part of their being and are not keen on being aligned with the transgender community - in m case because of the way that community treats sex

when it comes down to it , most females experience far more discrimination because of their sex than their "transgender" nature

In fact all the discrimination can be said to stem from the sex - underpaid , technical skills not recognised are because people assume a wierd concept of gender must be associated with boobs

So a transgender :agender female is not cis at all but is equally unwelcome and unsupported by the transgender community

tobee · 11/07/2022 17:41

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:41

The Oxford dictionary definition of cisgender is "adjective
1 denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex."

What's the legal definition? In the U.K.?

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:41

The Oxford dictionary definition of cisgender is "adjective
1 denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex."

godmum56 · 11/07/2022 17:40

RoseslnTheHospital · 11/07/2022 17:33

@godmum56 and @Flolawri that's your understanding of what it means. That's not what other people understand it to mean, so don't tell me I must now self describe as "cis" just because gender ideologues tell me so.

I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex. I don't have a gender identity in the same way that I don't have an eye colour identity, a hair colour identity or a height identity... these are just simple facts about me.

you don't have to self describe as anything if you don't want to.

Apollo442 · 11/07/2022 17:39

Cis is total nonsense. I do not identify with any stereotypes of my sex. I was not assigned a sex at birth, it was simply observed. And finally and most importantly, I am NOT a subset of my own sex class. I reject it and will not engage with any attempt to foist it on me. That is all.

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 17:39

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 17:37

Others don't, but there is no" push back" because those who disagree understand that ultimately they are working in a professional environment and have to behave as such.

It is not remotely "professional" to unthinkingly do as one is told.

Google the gtcs standards in Scotland.

I'm not allowed to say I'm an atheist or that I vote for Nicola Sturgeon. We have had professional standards for years, you can't change that just because you don't like peoles' opinions.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 17:38

But I am female... I was born female so I have it?

And yes, female is a gender identity. There wouldn't be transwomen if they didn't identify as female?

What do you put when sites ask what gender you are? Female? Thought so.

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 17:38

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 17:33

<pricks up ears>

So, you've been trained on Intersex (an old-fashioned umbrella term for up to 40 different congenital health conditions affecting sexual development, sometimes called DSDs), alongside training in issues relating to LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) and TQ, have you?

Sounds so generalised that it will be useless. Approximately 150 children a year are born in the UK with one of these conditions. So you've been receiving training on how to provide pastoral support to affected children have, presumably? Or are they now expecting teachers to do the job of doctors and to provide highly specialised medical advice to children?

If the latter, I'd join a union. The job role expansion is only going to snowball from here. 29,000 children in the UK are living with diabetes type 1. Suppose they try to get you to train as a specialist diabetes nurse next?

Or is this a case of "training" where they vaguely mention as many terms as possible during the day, so that the training provider can big up the course as "covering x, y, z, gamma, beta" even though they will teach you nothing about supporting pupils with y syndrome? The kind where as many conditions as possible are named so the training providers can increase the quote accordingly? There is a lot of that about in education.

Did I say any of that? And did I say that I supported the course or now believed myself to be fully qualified?

No. I pointed out it's the term we've to use, because it is.

I'm in a union. I don't know any teacher who isn't.

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 17:37

Others don't, but there is no" push back" because those who disagree understand that ultimately they are working in a professional environment and have to behave as such.

It is not remotely "professional" to unthinkingly do as one is told.