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CoE says ‘no official definition of a woman’

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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 19:47

Tonight The Telegraph reports this as the official stance of the Church of England.

Comments from Dr Robert Innes, the Bishop in Europe:

There is no official definition, which reflects the fact that until fairly recently definitions of this kind were thought to be self-evident, as reflected in the marriage liturgy. The LLF project however has begun to explore the marriage complexities associated with gender identity and points to the need for additional care and thought to be given in understanding our commonalities and differences as people made in the image of God.

If anyone knows what that means...

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/07/2022 20:13

@HipTightOnions ate you talking about sex dolls?

you know that sex robot supplier did an experiment and left the men in a room alone with a robot that looked like a sexually receptive woman? You know that the robots were destroyed by the men? Pulverised them to scrap.

I wonder why.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/07/2022 20:12

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:10

’I'm saying that beings who do not have a biological sex are often referred to as women in our current society so it's not completely correct to state that it is a purely biological term.’

And lions who don’t have actual manes are rendered as cartoon lions with 2D manes. Does that mean there’s no such thing as a lion?

We’re right down in Plato’s Cave now, aren’t we?

Spelunking below it I'd say.

judaskween · 10/07/2022 20:11

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:10

’I'm saying that beings who do not have a biological sex are often referred to as women in our current society so it's not completely correct to state that it is a purely biological term.’

And lions who don’t have actual manes are rendered as cartoon lions with 2D manes. Does that mean there’s no such thing as a lion?

We’re right down in Plato’s Cave now, aren’t we?

Cartoon lions are biological lions

Izzy24 · 10/07/2022 20:11

Is there an official definition of a man

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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:10

’I'm saying that beings who do not have a biological sex are often referred to as women in our current society so it's not completely correct to state that it is a purely biological term.’

And lions who don’t have actual manes are rendered as cartoon lions with 2D manes. Does that mean there’s no such thing as a lion?

We’re right down in Plato’s Cave now, aren’t we?

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HipTightOnions · 10/07/2022 20:09

I'm saying that beings who do not have a biological sex are often referred to as women in our current society so it's not completely correct to state that it is a purely biological term.

This is possible the daftest thing I have ever read.

Butterfly44 · 10/07/2022 20:09

Reading the above quote doesn't fit with the headline. I can't see where they actually said that in the quote. Is it the newspapers interpretation for a grabby headline?

judaskween · 10/07/2022 20:08

OneEyedPenguin · 10/07/2022 20:07

AI and fictional characters are not "beings".

a real or imaginary living creature or entity, especially an intelligent one.

judaskween · 10/07/2022 20:07

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:05

@judaskween

Well I don’t agree, but I don’t understand your reasoning either. Are you saying a woman is now something we see in fiction?

I'm saying that beings who do not have a biological sex are often referred to as women in our current society so it's not completely correct to state that it is a purely biological term.

OneEyedPenguin · 10/07/2022 20:07

AI and fictional characters are not "beings".

judaskween · 10/07/2022 20:05

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 20:02

I'd say in a social context it largely is because much of the time things such as ai in both real life and fiction are often called "women" and they do not have a sex only the characteristics associated with they gender

Wut? Grin Women are ai now? What fresh hell is this?

That's a blatant misinterpretation. In media some characters, who are neither human nor living beings, are called women. Not saying that women are ai it's just an example that shows that the term is used when not referring to beings with a biological sex.

HipTightOnions · 10/07/2022 20:05

Mickey Mouse is called a mouse so mice aren't necessarily rodents. Or real.

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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:05

@judaskween

Well I don’t agree, but I don’t understand your reasoning either. Are you saying a woman is now something we see in fiction?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 20:02

I'd say in a social context it largely is because much of the time things such as ai in both real life and fiction are often called "women" and they do not have a sex only the characteristics associated with they gender

Wut? Grin Women are ai now? What fresh hell is this?

judaskween · 10/07/2022 20:02

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:00

‘I'd say in a social context it largely is because much of the time things such as ai in both real life and fiction are often called "women" and they do not have a sex only the characteristics associated with they gender’

Huh?

If you don't agree that's fine, it's only my interpretation of events.

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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:00

‘I'd say in a social context it largely is because much of the time things such as ai in both real life and fiction are often called "women" and they do not have a sex only the characteristics associated with they gender’

Huh?

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EmileFord · 10/07/2022 20:00

judaskween - No.

judaskween · 10/07/2022 19:59

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 19:55

@judaskween

When was that decided, and by whom?

I'd say in a social context it largely is because much of the time things such as ai in both real life and fiction are often called "women" and they do not have a sex only the characteristics associated with they gender

BaronessWrongCrowdRex · 10/07/2022 19:56

I’m positive Henry VIII knew what a woman was when he split from Rome because he couldn’t divorce the first of his six wives. Absolutely ridiculous, sexist and insulting nonsense.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 19:55

I wonder who they think who births the babies? Even the virgin birth needed a woman. Confused

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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 19:55

@judaskween

When was that decided, and by whom?

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judaskween · 10/07/2022 19:52

MontanaMountains · 10/07/2022 19:49

ADULT HUMAN FEMALE it's really that simple.

Isn't "women" based on gender not sex though?

PronounssheRa · 10/07/2022 19:52

They certainly knew what a women was when they banned them from priesthood.

PronounssheRa · 10/07/2022 19:52

They certainly knew what a women was when they banned them from priesthood.

WhiteFire · 10/07/2022 19:51

Well they sure knew what a woman was when debating women and the priesthood.

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