Anyone Else Watch Sky News Just Now? Tom Tugendhat and Grant Shapps Interviewed

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Isn't Penny M being accused of lying by a Whitehall civil servant about those recent tweets?

Andrew Neil just called Shapps ‘nobody’s victory parade’.

Ouch.

Also, women must not choose their preferred leadership candidate based on this issue. That would be to ignore all the important issues, like the cost of living. Pink News and the TRAs can choose their candidate based on this issue, because it’s very very important.

Gary thinks everyone should shut up about divisive things, like women’s rights, refugees and Brexit.

No, wait. Just women’s rights.

'And that doesn't mean in any way that transwomen have any less respect, or any fewer rights'

Do you think single sex spaces should be protected?

SSS are important and should be protected, but how they are protected is incredibly important. What we need is to have a clean start on this debate
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The 'This is why we have to move on' statement is leaving me cold. Why the need for a 'clean start' on the debate and a new one? He goes on to talk about respecting individual dignity, as if previous debates have not.

Also this getting back to 'issues that affect everyday people' erm, are women not everyday people?

Don't trust him on this issue at all.

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This is his tweet. The replies are good.
twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1546071802945970176

Gary Bineker.

Gary Lineker never said one single word about women's sport then retweeted Ben Cohen's retweet of Grant Shapps no less .He can get lost. Ben Cohen lecturing women on culture wars. Get in the very deep sea.

Problem is, it’s not enough to know that a woman is an “adult human female” - our expectations have been lowered by years of gaslighting. Let’s not accept scraps.

I’m happy for people to be able to identify as they want. I’ll defend their right to do so and I won’t harass anyone. But people can’t change sex and some situations are rightly restricted to one sex.

Yep, certainly he appeared to be as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it came to anything to do with his transport brief over the last two or three years.

For the record, Grant Shapps on BBC Radio 4 "Broadcasting House" on 10 July 2022:
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00193r2
at 16 mins 50 secs

Transcript

Interviewer: "Is a transwoman a woman?"

Shapps: "Well, look, I think this is a debate, an argument, that's been going on for a long time. Biologically, I don't think you can deny the biological position. I think we have to have sort of love and respect and care for people who do want to change their gender - that's a separate matter. But a Shapps premiership would not be obsessed with these issues. I would be dealing with the bread and butter things, which matter to everyday people and making sure that anybody and everyone feels part of British society, no matter how they feel about their gender or sexuality."

Come on Tom T!
We think you get it but more needed!

Yes agree Tom T has to make his position as clear as Rishi’s (and Boris’s). Even Penny M has been clearer in her recent tweets.

As PP points out re: JKR retweets there are good reasons to believe he gets it. But he needs to be clear.

Tugendhat has RTd JKR a couple of times.

Gary Lineker is a dismissive twat RTing a patronising no-hoper.

Well, Grant Shapps did identify as Michael Green for a good while so he knows all about identity fluidity

I'm a bit at him dismissing women in this way, but I'm not too alarmed by what he is saying if I'm absolutely honest. I don't think a govt under him would introduce any GRA reform crap, I think that is basically what he is saying here, it just wouldn't be on the table at all.

It's interesting. A few years ago we would have fallen over ourselves with joy at the Tugendhat interview - 'a woman is an adult human female' he said. Back then, billboards were being pulled down for having those words on them. How far we have come that a Tory leadership candidate says this on Sky?

But ... sorry, it's no longer enough, Tom. Not by are long way. We know all the weasly, slippery phrases and we don't trust you on this. The first tell is saying 'it's time to move on'. But the thing is, Tom, we are not moving on. Not until it is all crystal clear. And there are millions of us.

The Overton Window is moving so fast and you are not keeping up. You need to be unequivocal. Transwomen are men. Because they are adult human males.

Shapps was awful.

I don’t think Tom T supports GRA reform does he? Pretty sure he gets it, will be interesting to see what his political/public stand will be.

Now Gary Lineker is retweeting Shapps saying “Cut out the divisive nonsense”. Maya Forstater is telling him the facts.

I could not be more sick of people telling women to stop being “divisive”. Don’t side with people call me a womb-carrier and putting men with functioning penises in women’s prisons, or I will be as divisive as I like.

With Tugendghat's interview, I appreciate he was shoehorning "a clean start" in at every possible opportunity, but it came across very badly in a scenario where women have been fighting this crap for years (and started off trying to be incredibly diplomatic) for a man then to waltz in and say, "No, no, you've been doing it all wrong. I'm here to make it all more respectful."

Tugendhat paused before “single sex space” and said “safe space for women” (in relation to prisons and rape shelters). He then said we should recognise biology in sport.

He does not support single sex spaces. He is evasive.

I also support dignity for everyone and that means women.

I think either of these two would be a nightmare for women.

Sajid is on message but is a poor speaker and would let Labour in next time with all the problems that would cause.

Rishi is ok. Liz Truss is much better but I really really hope Kemi Badenoch gets it. She is the only one who gets it, gets all of it, and could take the battle to Labour.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JigUYU3Kolw

Shapps 13.50

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5pYnjcKhPhs

Tugendhat answers the gender question from 15.44 if anyone is interested.