If Starmer stated what a woman is...

Yes. He did.

“A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that male adults are women, and that is not just my view – that is actually the law.”

Asked to define what a woman is, Sir Keir told The Times: “A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that male adults are women, and that is not just my view – that is actually the law.”

Are you saying that there are really people who believe that if a man says he's a woman he instantaneously, magically becomes one? Are these people not considered to be utterly deluded?

@Fairislefandango

It’s a struggle to understand how anyone believes it, but they do.

@LadyWithLapdog
Which would you like to be in legislation

(a) • woman
(b) • pre-bleeder
(c) • bleeder
(d) • post-bleeder

Anyone who says "a man is a woman if he says he is" (that's what TWAW means) is either lying or is too stupid to run a bath, let alone a country.

I’d also be concerned about Labour caving to pressure from the unions on TWAW.

The so-called LGBTQetc group at the TUC conference passed a nasty little homophobic motion about attacking the LGB Alliance.

i am a one issue voter. I was 100% Labour till they became extreme super woke student party attempting to roll back woman's rights. I’m a floating voter now

to back Labour/keir I would need recognition of biological differences between males & females and practical evidence of building legislation to protect biological women in sport, hospitals, prisons, refuges, schools etc. This is extremely unlikely what with Labour being so set on the issue.

He is quoted explaining that any male that sadisfied the GRA and obtains a GRC is woman. Which is factual as a legal form but which ignores where the real life sex of the male impact on other people.

He will then talk about women.

The casual listener hears the word woman and thinks human females when he is talking about human females and males.

Emily Thornberry has a trans niece/nephew. Both she and Starmer ought to be able to separate out being kind to a young person with gender issues from their professional remit. If they can't avoid bias due to personal issues which affects their ability to do their job, they should step down.

You do real you are choosing to open these threads and engage? Oh yes, coming on and saying it's all screaming waffle isn't going to stop this being discussed. And remember life really isn't always labour vs tory despite that constant banging on about it.

I'm so sorry that your Google/preferred search engine is broken. I hope service is restored later.

Starmer, formerly the director of public prosecutions, the most senior prosecutor in England and Wales, said: “A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that trans women are women, and that is not just my view, that is actually the law. It has been the law through the combined effects of the 2004 [Gender Recognition] Act and the 2010 [Equality] Act.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/13/jk-rowling-keir-starmer-misrepresents-law-woman-definition-labour

Oh, so you can’t actually. Just the usual let’s have another bash at Labour when it’s so clear the Tories are shit. But her emails!!

It’s a Sunday morning and I’ll spend my time better than screaming the same old shit on MN Feminist threads.

No. He would be lying about what he actually thinks.

Oh come on... like he actually believes TWAW! Hardly anyone does really, imo. I'd love to feel I could vote Labour. He'd need to not only recant on the gender stuff - he would need to admit why he said it in the first place, rather than do a waffly reverse weasel. Then he'd need to make some promises about single sex spaces, language used to describe the sexes etc. Not going to happen though. I'd still not be keen on him, but it would be enough to turn my vote.

Hahaha agreed

@LadyWithLapdog

So what you haven’t heard about didn’t happen?

Do some research and stop waffling at us.

A caller, Iris from Aberdeen, asked Nick: "Do you think it's fair that transgender women with all their physical advantages, are allowed to compete in women's sport?"
Sir Keir said: "I think it's for the sporting bodies to decide for themselves how they deal with this, it throws up all sorts of difficult questions."
He refused to answer whether or not it would be "fair" for Lia Thomas to compete in the Paris Olympics saying it is a decision that the committee must make for themselves and it "probably needs more discussion."

More weaselling

I used to think he was worried about the backlash but now I think this is what he genuinely thinks. He lives in Islington and that is his social circle/ influence. I’m pretty sure one of his cabinet has a trans niece or nephew ( can’t recall which now) and she must be an influence on him too.
Many of his MP’s are London MP’s / large cities like Bristol etc

Yes

Asked to define what a woman is, Sir Keir told The Times: “A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that trans women are women, and that is not just my view – that is actually the law.”
Mr Starmer added: “It has been the law through the combined effects of the 2004 [Gender Recognition] Act and the 2010 [Equality] Act. So that’s my view. It also happens to be the law in the United Kingdom.”

He's weasling out of it by using the law.

No because the whole party is keen to change legislation to strip women of their right to single sex spaces. It’s sitting there ready to go.

I haven’t seen any and whenever I ask on here - nowhere else in the universe is this such an obsession than the MN Feminist board - it’s just waffle.

He needs to say a lot more than that. Otherwise it will be as meaningless a phrase as TWAW.
I'd want to hear his comments about prisons, sport, rapists on women's hospital wards and most importantly Cass & safeguarding children before I believe he's more than a lily livered sop, easily captured by extremists. (and an apology to Rosie Duffield and all the woman hounded out of the labour party on his watch would be good).

Why don't you have a quick google.

Agree!