Penny Mordaunt thinks we're stupid. Her thread on Twitter...

Is Legal woman different to Biological woman when it comes to rights and single sex spaces? Or are they the same?

It’s not good enough to just trot out what they believe the law says. The law doesn’t declare transwomen “women”, it says people who legally transition to female are are entitled to be treated as female for most legal purposes. They need to get on top of that and stop gaslighting us.

Andrea Leadsome giving full on support to Penny, on Channel 4 just now, also trying to draw a line at legal woman, those with a GRC presumably . No discussion to discuss the problems of allowing any male born person having access to women and girls, and the interviewer gave up after several goes at ‘are TW women?’ It would be really good if eg the problems of disabled girls and women needing care were addressed, to name just one likely point of conflict.

My MP had Penny's video on her Facebook page,and was extolling her virtues. I didn't see it,but a lot of people were commenting that it seemed in poor taste ,was like an episode of Brass Eye,and should be removed.I commented that she couldn't be a feminist because of her work on the Maternity bill. Today the whole thing has been taken down,with just pictures of Penny being posted instead.
It must have been really bad. I wish I had watched it now.😂

Even Owen Jones has turned on her in favour of Grant Shapps, which has to hurt.

I bet Penny Mordaunt feels shit about it too.😆😆😆

It’s arrogant beyond belief to say you’re listening to everyone, especially women, and your starting point is the very opposite of everything the women are saying. Hopefully she’s cocked it up but good. Even Owen Jones has turned on her in favour of Grant Shapps, which has to hurt.

Penny Mordaunt is one of the chief architects of Self ID. www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/02/penny-mordaunt-interview-gender-recognition-act/

Compare that interview with her Mnet one.😬

That consultation list in full:
Stonewall

‘I think part of what all this uncovers is how many people have been saying TWAW to mean something like "obviously TWANW but I want to be supportive of them and their right to present themselves to the world as they are" and now seem surprised that people have taken them literally, while (as anyone paying attention is aware) other people meant them literally all along.’

Yes. And as soon as you say the real answer, you’re a ‘te*f’, as Penny found out yesterday. Being compassionate isn’t good enough, you have to lie.

I actually think what she says in the thread is ok as far as it goes (not that far). She doesn't address what she thinks being legally female (but biologically male) means re access to women's spaces nor anything about self ID but her characterisation of people born male being legally female after the gender recognition process is accurate.

I think part of what all this uncovers is how many people have been saying TWAW to mean something like "obviously TWANW but I want to be supportive of them and their right to present themselves to the world as they are" and now seem surprised that people have taken them literally, while (as anyone paying attention is aware) other people meant them literally all along.

Building golden bridges for those who change their mind is all very well but it seems like she has actually been lying in that twitter thread (about the word 'woman' in maternity legislation - which she did not fight to re-insert). Somebody who is lying is maybe not someone I want on my fancy bridge in case they vandalise it.

I would be interested in which women's groups she consulted when launching the GRA reform consultation. WPUK, Fair Play for Women?

And the balance of consultation between trans lobby groups like Stonewall and those concerned about the protection of women's sex based rights.

It used to be, but no longer

I thought the term of dressing and presenting as someone of the opposite sex was transvestite

Is she jumping ship?

I don’t think she is.

Her tweets are all about gender and not sex

She supports women. In her terms that also includes men who have decided to change gender.

I'm all for u-turning, great please please do, but...

This isn't just some celebrity, it's a potential PM. I need them to have an absolutely squeaky clean background on this issue to truly trust them with this, which sadly she doesn't have.

I'm very happy she's realising this issue really does matter and hopefully this'll inform her as an MP, but I would not want her to be PM.

It's gone up to £26 a month but allowed several devices for that so my mum and sister use mine too.

The problem is, Self ID means that men don't have to do any of that (removal of said testicles), just self declare as a woman, sign a form and hey presto - are supposed to be legally accepted as women for all purposes. The vast majority of transwomen (i.e. biological males) don't undergo any surgery.

This is obviously problematic for women, and is why there are male rapists with full functioning penises in women's prisons, males competing in women's sports etc.

If you think it would never happen, it's already happening.

Thank you @McDuffy - I cancelled my Times subscription in disgust maybe 3 years ago, but have thought more and more over the past 12 months about resubscribing.

It's weasley words. There's biological women and legal women but at no point does she say both types of women shouldn't be treated the same, at no point does she say that 'legal' women of the non biological kind shouldn't have full access to women's spaces. She's saying a lot of words without actually saying anything. If twaw then all her words still apply

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Exactly what I was thinking!

@WarriorN That is huge, almost makes you think someone on her campaign doesn't like her!

I can't see the comments on the Times article, assuming you have to be a subscriber to see them?

I had no idea this was the case!