Rishi on Women’s Rights

Oh god am I now a Tory? Seems so.

Oh I seeeeee. Good response, thanks. She totally got me!

She says here: Some people born male and who have been through the gender recognition process are also legally female. That DOES NOT mean they are biological women, like me.

That's the bit that confused me.

I took this as:, the law may define you as a woman, but you can never be a true biological woman. Isn't that the overall GC stance? I'll call you what you want...but biology matters?

Also she does appear to have been involved in a lot of work supporting women and why did she call for an investigation into the amount of girls being referred to trans services if she believes TWAW? It seems oxymoronic.

But she knows how manipulate language like a Spin doctor, I'll give her that!

Blair was much better and he was optimistic

The left can only say the U.K. is awful - no positive narrative Blair at least got that right

But agree about his direction

I am not sure I trust Sunak. I prefer Javid and I think Javid might also be GC. He proposed a law making it possible to access / scrutinise all medical records of children treated for dysphoria over the past decade. Idk what this means as he’s now resigned from the role.

The exception to this of course was Blair, who actually liked and respected the British people and wanted to address their priorities. But then he became messianic over world affairs, and internationalism generally (mass immigration with anyone who demurred howled down as a bigot, leading to resentment and to Brexit).
there’s something in them. They have to be missionaries. My god, it’s tiresome

I find this odd too

you get threads on here with Labour supporters and left generally calling everyone thick

They are so assured re their superiority - encapsulated well by Thornberry and the white van pic

You can see why votes were lost, who wants to be minimised like that repeatedly - it’s almost as if they think some shouldn’t vote at all

I think you have to recognise that fundamentally the Labour Party has changed. It is not about the ordinary working person anymore. It is about client groups and identity politics. There has always been a streak in Labour that’s about finger wagging, holier than thou, we have to educate the voters to a more enlightened way of thinking. That has control of them now. There will always be this kind of behaviour from them, because they are now a party of middle class privileged people who have to make the lower orders better.

It's enraging. We shouldn't be cheering because prospective tory leaders suddenly remember what a woman is and decide to roll back some of the immense havoc that's been visited on women and children. We should be looking to Labour to give a lead; to prioritise child safeguarding and not the demands of fetishists, to insist on respect for views that are factual and legal and to negotiate where trans demands erode women's rights.
Instead we have captured politicians openly lying to the population about science and enabling trans extremist behaviour that endangers women. 😡

I look forward to him taking steps to ensure all his female MPs can attend his party conference too.
He stood on the sidelines while the anti semites ran riot under corbyn too. Not a man of courage.

@MrsOvertonsWindow

If she’s elected, we lose all our progress. Kids will still be receiving puberty blockers. Muslim women will still be turning up to all-women swimming sessions and finding themselves excluded because a male believes he has a right to be there. We’ll still be called “genital fetishists” for pointing out that an intact male is an intact male. We’ll still be excluded from political life because we don’t believe people can change sex.

She is a disaster waiting to happen.

To echo what others have said - the fact that this is being spoken about as a leadership issue is testament to women who are refusing to be redefined by dodgy men and have spoken up. I look forward to Starmer's next flat earth lecture to us about the benefits of puberty blockers and binders for girls (as he's dealt with the cervix question now).

This.
She's a have your cake and eat it politician. Cosying up to Stonewall & the other lobby groups, no challenge to the trans extremists, just political pandering and shape-shifting to suit her audience.

She even changes the question: we’re asking what is a woman?

She is studiously avoiding answering that question.

@JanDec

Yes. He is. He’s been quiet on the issue but yesterday he launched his platform on the issue of women’s rights. He seems close to where Johnson was. He wants to be as inclusive as possible but he distinguishes between women and transwomen on a number of levels (notably language and sport). He’s not as clear on his position on single sex spaces.

Look more carefully at what she says, because it’s Starmer’s position. Look how carefully she talks about herself, keeping the categorical question very meticulously apart from her words. She is a biological woman. She knows she is a woman. She knows what a woman is.

The question she is being asked is: what is a woman?

The question she is answering is: are you, Penny Mordaunt, a woman?

Why? Why can’t she define “woman”?

Answer: because she believes woman is defined by gender identity. She calls herself “biologically” a woman and “legally” a woman, suggesting that she believes people can be women by virtue of both, or either.

What @Zone2NorthLondon said.

On the prisons issue there is some legal work to do. I'm not sure any of the Tories have the appetite for it, they think this is an easy way to shore up the Tory vote. I hope I'm wrong.

Is Rishi gender critical?

I am suspicious of a billionaire politician.

@LadyAnnabelsTapestries

She hasn’t been misrepresented. She’s rowing back what she’s said. She still believes TWAW - a different kind of woman.

Look at the Twitter profile and timeline of Ashley James, who she’s tagged in.

Looks like all the candidates are putting clear blue water between them and Labour on this.
fat keith has a problem ….

Thank for the link. Reading her tweets and the evidence she's posted of her work regarding rates of girls transitioning, It appears she may have been misrepresented on this issue.

It would be a shame for a capable female candidate to be dismissed by women on the basis of misrepresentation.

I’m encouraged that this is being raised as a major issue at the start of “hustings” - it means there is going to be much more discussion of the issues we have raised - prisons, hospitals, sport, education, health - as different candidates explain their views. It means it will be in the news and media. It’s sunlight. It will explain what a self identifying TW really is - a biologically intact male who wants to invade and in many cases push women out of women only spaces.

Have they written this on the side of a big red bus?

Mordant's on Twitter telling us she knows what a woman is....

twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1545908402475438080?s=21&t=ns3wnQLPMdLXP1zEOFG32Q

Abandoned women is right. They also don't understand that the women they despise have the vote.

Yes, I want the list. I want specifics. Not just NHS literature.

Prisons, wards, rape refuges, sport, loos and changing rooms.