Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

Labour and the Greens don't believe we all have value. They've both viciously hounded female and male members with GC views.

Labour moved to the centre right. All the parties moved to entertain undergrad post-modernist theories of gender.

Women are who and where we've always been. The parties and politicians need to come to us.

Unless Bindel has secretly joined the Tory party, she doesn't have a vote, just like the rest of us, so this is mere posturing.

@user1471504747

Believe me, this isn’t a choice I wanted to make. But the cost of living isn’t an excuse for me to collude in medicalised atrocities.

@Live4weekend

I know that. May and Cameron let children down very badly. Johnson didn’t, and I am hopeful (with the progress we’ve made) that his successor will do even better.

If we elect Starmer, this continues. I can’t do that. It’s a red line.

It’s a bit more than the price of Lurpak though isn’t it? Plenty of people are struggling to afford to survive, and a cost of living crisis is the last thing you need on top of a housing crisis.

Rent is increasing to astronomical prices for sub standard housing, and people in a couple of months many people are going to have to choose between heating their house and eating.

Not to mention the state of the NHS.

With everything being a struggle and young people growing up with no hope of ever being able to afford a house even, it’s no wonder they’re easily led into thinking changing their gender could solve all their problems. I mean who wouldn’t want to believe in a magical solution to make them happy? The lack of funding for MH support has a lot to blame.

Tories have been in power since 2010...........

They have overseen the giving of puberty blockers plus the increase of Lurpak to ridiculous prices.

Some stuff has been out of their control, but much is linked to the focus for nearly 10 years on Brexit.

We are in the place we are now, because of the Tory party.

Things may have happened the same under Labour - but we don't know. They have not been in Power.

The impact on women will be for generations. It will be extremely difficult to undo legislation which is harmful to women. It’s a worthy thing to vote on in my view.

Not sure I want my grandkids saying to me one day, “You knew they were giving fourteen year olds sex-change hormones and you didn’t do anything? And you voted for them anyway?” and me having to say, “Well, the price of Lurpak had gone up to £7.35.”

That's quite a privileged take.

It impacts some of the most vulnerable women in society like women needing rape counselling, or domestic violence shelters, women in prisons, women in hospital who are vulnerable but gaslighted that there are no men on the ward, women who need intimate medical care.

OK. I don't think you are thick but fine

Loads of people vote on single issues - just look at Brexit.
For me, gender issues are not the only issue to vote on, but they are definitely the most important.

I just go by this.

But that post is perfectly understandable and holds some truth. It does seem that the recent lauding of Julie and Sharon has blinkered them. They do seem to have made the mistake of perceiving GC women's voices as being simplistic, uni factoral!

That you said the poster needed to find out who they were before commenting suggests that you hold her mental aptitude in doubt!

Also- has anyone else noticed that OP basically plopped a negative post about two very vocal proponents of gender critical feminism and now we are basically enthusiastically slating those women?
Divide and conquer anyone?

@wellyelliebee

No, they’re not right. If someone is doing irreversible surgeries on confused children, that is an issue of profound and overriding ethical importance. It’s not about my life, it’s about theirs.

Well they're right aren't they? It's like when people got obsessed with immigration. Look at your actual life - trans people have zero effect on me (there's one guy in work who likes to wear a skirt, he's a nice guy, good at his job, his clothing is totally irrelevant to me). What actually makes a difference is cost of living and the clowns in Westminster

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist I was referring to this post.
I don't think people are "thick" for disagreeing.
I do take issue with implying Julie Bindel doesn't understand the debate

I want to vote for the Labour party but TWAW stops me since they are so extreme on some issues. However, they are great for people in difficulties and feel they would do so much more for poverty, families, childcare, and general society rather than the Tories.

Trouble is the TWAW, safe spaces, men in women's sports is a very slippery slope

I'm not sure why JB thinks that people will hate her for having an opinion. She's an amazing activist and feminist and entitled to think and say what she wants and also to vote for who she pleases. I don't understand though, what's so hard to believe about women saying that they may reconsider voting for Labour due to their position on "trans issues". Attempting to shame people into voting a certain way because the care about specific issues is a tactic that some on the left continue to use despite the fact It doesn't really work. Also to reduce it to "trans issues" is dishonest. There is really so much more to it than that.

I’m never going to disrespect JB or SD - they’re incredible women and as entitled to their views as all the rest of us. I simply disagree about where this needs to go.

It's true that a lot of people vote based on single issues. Brexit being the most recent one. Enough Labour etc voters wanted Brexit enough to change their vote.

Tbh, I'm on the fence now. But chances are, the Tories will get in an electable leader and two years from now the country will continue to vote blue.

Yeah! Go ahead and tell us we are thick... same old same old.

I am saying that their tweets lack nuance. Are simplistic. Are laughable.

I don't expect them to be prefect. I don't think much less of them for this. But I do think that maybe they need to take a small step back...

I find Bindel's attitude exasperating. Yes, of course this is the most important issue for a lot of us because if you compel the entire population to collude in a lie (which is exactly what self-ID is) how can you trust them on anything else?

Ditto, if you think that putting rapists in women's prisons or performing double mastectomies on healthy teenage girls is ethically acceptable, then you have no moral compass to speak of.

I just watched the Mr Menno video that someone mentioned on another thread (the one that compares Ricky Gervais and Nish Kumar) and he lays it all out so clearly.

I can’t trust any political party insisting I believe a lie

Agreed Terfydactyl, I 100% agree there are also other critical issues right now but the implications of handing over the ability to define 50% of the population to the other 50% of the population and that will have a major impact on how I chose to vote. Especially as I don’t see other parties focussing on the other critical issues either they are so focussed on gender politics. Im so disappointed in Labours lack of interest in the cost of living crisis and the decades (including when they were in power) of under investment in decent social housing