Let’s hope Mordaunts not the next PM

Mordaunt delivered a speech in the House of Commons just before the Easter recess in 2013 on poultry welfare so as to use the word "cock". She used the word "cock" six times and "lay" or "laid" five times. Following her comments, she was accused by Labour MP Kate Hoey of trivializing parliament.

@DdraigGoch

Where’s that info from, please?

Nominations so far:

Tom Tugendhat - 5
Liz Truss - 3 ("women have vaginas")
Suella Braverman - 2 ("[a child born male] shouldn't use girls' toilets")
Jeremy Hunt - 2
Penny Mordaunt - 1 ("TWAW")

As I understand it, only the top two once all nominations are in will be put to the members. It's too early to call.

OldCrone...thanks for the link. Apologies to Tanni GT for being unaware of her speech.

However, the link I posted to a UKActive page gives Transgender Access Guidance and suggests...

"Does the individual want to use a changing or toilet facility that is consistent with the gender in which they present?" Allow Access.

And this (my italics)

"Changing:
Many facilities differ in terms of changing facilities available. You should support customers to use the changing facilities that are best for them.

Sex-segregated changing could be an option and a trans person should be permitted to use whichever single-sex area they choose.
How ever an operator may restrict access to this area if doing so can be objectively justified as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

A customer may prefer to use separate changing facilities but they should not be forced to do so without prior discussion and agreement."

UKActive also suggest Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence & Mermaids for further reading.

UKActive therefore seem to be advocating that the choice of a trans person takes priority over anything else. As Chair of UKActive Tanni GT would be expected to be aware of this?

I just read that Mordaunt unfollowed Helen Dale when she reviewed GC books positively.

@KatVonlabonk

How do you come back from that statement?

I was very disappointed in the sexist photo the Times chose in its article on the potential candidates. All very ‘Page 3’.

She has spoken in the House of Lords about single-sex spaces

hansard.parliament.uk//Lords/2020-02-24/debates/D9459D1B-FADF-4765-AB3F-F55D4B322060/details#contribution-9283079F-4DE5-48A3-832F-CBA3514B1ACD

Some excerpts:

There is a reason that the UN, WaterAid and other organisations have called for single-sex spaces. Social convention is there to safeguard women and girls to prevent harm. Eroding social convention will make it harder to maintain these boundaries.

If there is somebody in an accessible toilet who needs to be in there for a long period of time, the only other option I have is to use the women’s toilet. In that instance, I have to go with the door open.

It's worth reading her whole speech. She is very much in favour of single-sex spaces for women and girls.

Thread about the HoL debate.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3832633-House-of-Lords-Women-Spaces-Hurrah

Looking at the times article, it sounds like PM has pissed off a couple of factions of the party so unlikely to get anywhere

I had the idea that Tanni GT was GC but can't remember why.

Tanni GT is Chair of UKActive who do not appear to support protecting female spaces.

www.ukactive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ukactive_Transgender_Guidance_2020.pdf

It's going to be an interesting leadership contest if she does stand, because as Signalbox says, she will be grilled on it in interviews and (if she stands by it) repeatedly asked to justify the claim.

I'm always there for that, as I find it such a patently absurd statement myself. Always fascinated to see what people actually mean when they say it and how far the belief goes. Any exceptions for sports or prisons? Hospital wards? Bring on the sunlight - let's find out if there are caveats for these true believers, and what they are.

I'm also pretty sure it'll be her barrier to getting the job, so an interesting test of her belief in that sense too. Let's see if she suddenly decides 'it's complicated' now parroting the mantra might have a personal cost.

She met with Sharron D and Tanni GT over this recently. I think she may be feeling her way back to reality.

So sick of these women who themselves must have overcome so many barriers to enter politics and know themselves how they have to work twice as hard and be twice as good to be considered even half as competent as their male counterparts and theb they spout crap like this. Its so fucking dishonest. And one day she will wake up and discover that all the women in the room are male. Women who wont have babies or need somewhere to pump, or work whilst going through menopause and all that brings.

She is nothing more than a turkey voting for Christmas. These women are their own worst enemies. Only where they are because of all the brave women who fought so hard befire her.

Anyone who believes twaw should be made to hand over their bank card, be unable to vote, own property or be employed. Maybe then they will realise that its not and will ever be the same. That her rights are only there fir as long as men allow her to have them.

Shes clearly far to stupid to realise shes the sacrificial lamb and there will be another man quick to jump in the second she loses all credibility with stunts like this.

Who will replace Boris Johnson and be the next prime minister?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/79818044-7640-11ec-886c-723ddd37efb5?shareToken=d5306e6c6adae7dbfa23cd8e044911e5

Surely her having spouted this nonsense will be her undoing if she were to stand for leader? The press would be all over it. Women have been knocked out of leadership contests for far less. I remember Andrea Leadsom pulled out of the leadership race after saying that being a mother would make her a better PM. Mordaunt will have to answer questions on whether or not she will U turn on self ID and the conversion therapy bill. Plus she won't be able to answer the question "what is a woman"?

The Times is carrying a summary of the possible candidates today and mentions her TWAW stance and that it is not likely to go down well.

I was listening to Talk Radio yesterday afternoon and a caller said how Penny Morduant was his choice for the next PM. The reasons he gave included "and she knows what a woman is, unlike that Labour lot" Hopefully that video does get circulated far and wide so people like that caller can see what an idiot she is.

Or rather her feeling that she has to lie. She doesn't believe TWAW. If she did, she'd be proclaiming it confidently, not tentatively, while looking and sounding like a hostage.

I hope Wallace stands as he’s more popular

Because she was a Brexiteer - seems to be of overriding importance to Tory party members.

I saw on Twitter that her brother is/was in a relationship with a well known TRA actor, if true could explain her views

She’s popular because they think she can get some lefty votes, and because she’s polished and very credible.

I agree but why is she so popular in polls?

Genuinely wondering what it is she’s standing for those people like