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Linda Carter - Wonderwoman!

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antifascist · 06/07/2022 21:33

what a star! if only so many on Mumsnet could do the same

"I cannot think of anything that helps women’s rights less than pinning the blame on trans women. They face so much violence and scrutiny as is. Leave them alone and focus on the real war on women. It’s happening in the courts and legislatures around this country."

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SolasAnla · 08/07/2022 07:07

Pallisers · 08/07/2022 01:05

I don't understand the statement about pinning the blame on transwomen. Who is doing that?

I live in the US and am deeply concerned about abortion rights. I pin the blame on republicans, the supreme court and various other people. Not transwomen.

I do, however, think that the discussion about abortion needs to happen with the word woman being used. All I heard in the run up to this disasterous decision is "folks who find themselves pregnant" or "people need reproductive healthcare' Of course when the decision came down it is WOMEN, not folks or people, who will bear children, risk their health and lives. language can't change biological destiny.

So I don't relate to her statement at all as I've never blamed transwomen for anything. most people haven't. Most people aren't that aware of them tbh.

@Pallisers

I suspect that some of if may come from the capitalist nature of the medical system in the US. There is overlap in the abortion provider brand of Planed Parenthood and hormone provision. Planned Parenthood is very TWAW and pregnant people.

Then there is the whole saga of how abortion is not a Womans Issue, its only a "stepping stone" issue. If only Black [and..] birthing bodies and Others accepted that men get pregnant too, the Court would have ruled differently.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 08/07/2022 06:34

stayathomer · 08/07/2022 06:15

Dreikanter
I do hope that the cats have asserted their absolute rights to (a) all food (b) all comfy beds (including laps)
one has made friends and they are co existing amicably, possibly because she wanted an allie from the other cat, who was always, um, interesting, around other animals. Good time and bed time is now a musical chairs circus but they’ve all found their places to get comfy!

There’s a cat here who’s trying to assert his absolute right to breakfast at 4am.

It’s come up against my absolute right to be fast asleep at 4am. The struggle continues.

stayathomer · 08/07/2022 06:16

That was food and not good btw!!!

stayathomer · 08/07/2022 06:15

Dreikanter
I do hope that the cats have asserted their absolute rights to (a) all food (b) all comfy beds (including laps)
one has made friends and they are co existing amicably, possibly because she wanted an allie from the other cat, who was always, um, interesting, around other animals. Good time and bed time is now a musical chairs circus but they’ve all found their places to get comfy!

TerffLonDon · 08/07/2022 01:06

antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:52

I've reported your use of an offensive term and your personal abuse.

What a shame that we can't admire Lynda Carter together without sinking to that level

What offensive term is that then? Do you mean my username? I’m reclaiming it hun. I don’t think @MNHQ have rules in regard to usernames do they? If they don’t like mine there’s plenty of others in a similar vein, @MNHQ will be busy if they decide to police them. Not sure what you mean about admiring Lynda Carter together either tbh. I don’t admire her, I do however recognise her as someone who knows her target market and how to not upset them. Whatevs, up to her I suppose.

Pallisers · 08/07/2022 01:05

I don't understand the statement about pinning the blame on transwomen. Who is doing that?

I live in the US and am deeply concerned about abortion rights. I pin the blame on republicans, the supreme court and various other people. Not transwomen.

I do, however, think that the discussion about abortion needs to happen with the word woman being used. All I heard in the run up to this disasterous decision is "folks who find themselves pregnant" or "people need reproductive healthcare' Of course when the decision came down it is WOMEN, not folks or people, who will bear children, risk their health and lives. language can't change biological destiny.

So I don't relate to her statement at all as I've never blamed transwomen for anything. most people haven't. Most people aren't that aware of them tbh.

theclangersarecoming · 08/07/2022 00:58

How deeply ironic that you’re reporting people to the MN “authorities” when you don’t like the terms they use.

Sounds a bit…well, fascist-adjacent, no?

antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:52

TerffLonDon · 08/07/2022 00:26

your username is fairly unpleasant as well
oh dear, boo hoo.

I've reported your use of an offensive term and your personal abuse.

What a shame that we can't admire Lynda Carter together without sinking to that level

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antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:49

theclangersarecoming · 08/07/2022 00:23

Then you really do need to do some reading and educate yourself, if you can’t understand it. You clearly don’t understand what “fascism” means, and as a result you’re making a fool of yourself. “Fascism adjacent”? What a deeply stupid phrase.

I'm aware that there are some on mumsnet who call things they disagree with or are unfamiliar with "deeply stupid" or worse.

But "fascist-adjacent" is fairly common ans is used by writers from the Atlantic to the Telegraph

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IcakethereforeIam · 08/07/2022 00:45

Oh, so sweet, I can sleep now, it sounds like you might not get much chance to Smile. My dad had a springer that was a lovely dog but a raving lunatic. Cocker spaniel pups are adorable, little, furry, energetic dots. Goodnight.

TerffLonDon · 08/07/2022 00:26

your username is fairly unpleasant as well
oh dear, boo hoo.

theclangersarecoming · 08/07/2022 00:23

Then you really do need to do some reading and educate yourself, if you can’t understand it. You clearly don’t understand what “fascism” means, and as a result you’re making a fool of yourself. “Fascism adjacent”? What a deeply stupid phrase.

antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:19

theclangersarecoming · 08/07/2022 00:17

Just cutting and pasting my post to you from yet another thread where you were throwing around the term “fascist”:

It’s the very height of bad taste and poor judgment to throw around accusations of “fascism”. Deeply juvenile — in my day only done by a certain kind of teenage public schoolboy who liked to model himself on The Young Ones.
^^
It’s really exceptionally ignorant and poor taste to compare people whose perfectly lawful political views you just don’t happen to like, to what happened under fascism. For shame — when there’s real war going on right now showing you what happens under actual totalitarian politics — tanks, bombs, rape, mass murder, cities left in rubble. You people should be absolutely ashamed to go about spouting such ignorant hyperbolic rubbish.
^^
I tell you what — whose political system will you prefer when the jackboots start marching in? Would you prefer to be somewhere like Mariupol today, with your family being shelled by soldiers from an extreme regime; or won’t it seem that bad then to live in a normal democratic society where people haven’t actually literally murdered anyone, but are merely actually allowed to air their silly old opinions no matter whether you disagree?
^^
Do some bloody reading about “fascism” to start with, and have a bit of a think about what it looks like to be spouting such childish and arrant nonsense at people ffs.

—I have no time for Jordan Peterson, but why don’t you get back to us about “fascism” next time those people you don’t happen to like start shooting dissidents, joining the secret police, setting up concentration camps, or rolling into villages in their tanks, okay?

Yes I did read that post- I thought it was rather incoherent, all things considered.

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Dreikanter · 08/07/2022 00:19

stayathomer · 08/07/2022 00:13

IcakethereforeIam
Oh, lovely! What sort of puppy?
A cocker spaniel. He’s like a cartoon dog, tail non stop wagging, happy out, getting well used to the madness (4 kids and 2 cats!)

I do hope that the cats have asserted their absolute rights to (a) all food (b) all comfy beds (including laps).

theclangersarecoming · 08/07/2022 00:17

Just cutting and pasting my post to you from yet another thread where you were throwing around the term “fascist”:

It’s the very height of bad taste and poor judgment to throw around accusations of “fascism”. Deeply juvenile — in my day only done by a certain kind of teenage public schoolboy who liked to model himself on The Young Ones.
^^
It’s really exceptionally ignorant and poor taste to compare people whose perfectly lawful political views you just don’t happen to like, to what happened under fascism. For shame — when there’s real war going on right now showing you what happens under actual totalitarian politics — tanks, bombs, rape, mass murder, cities left in rubble. You people should be absolutely ashamed to go about spouting such ignorant hyperbolic rubbish.
^^
I tell you what — whose political system will you prefer when the jackboots start marching in? Would you prefer to be somewhere like Mariupol today, with your family being shelled by soldiers from an extreme regime; or won’t it seem that bad then to live in a normal democratic society where people haven’t actually literally murdered anyone, but are merely actually allowed to air their silly old opinions no matter whether you disagree?
^^
Do some bloody reading about “fascism” to start with, and have a bit of a think about what it looks like to be spouting such childish and arrant nonsense at people ffs.

—I have no time for Jordan Peterson, but why don’t you get back to us about “fascism” next time those people you don’t happen to like start shooting dissidents, joining the secret police, setting up concentration camps, or rolling into villages in their tanks, okay?

antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:16

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you're right I did spell her name incorrectly to begin with.

i don't really think that justifies your abusive post.

your username is fairly unpleasant as well

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stayathomer · 08/07/2022 00:13

IcakethereforeIam
Oh, lovely! What sort of puppy?
A cocker spaniel. He’s like a cartoon dog, tail non stop wagging, happy out, getting well used to the madness (4 kids and 2 cats!)

TerffLonDon · 08/07/2022 00:12

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antifascist · 08/07/2022 00:07

theclangersarecoming · 07/07/2022 23:35

Well, this is just ridiculous. You, antifascist, go about the forum literally calling people “fascists” (old is pretty good compared to that - I’ll take it); but you don’t like anyone pointing out that in doing so, you sound like a very famous comedy student character who goes about talking about “old fascists”?

And Janet, “dried up” is a perennial insult misogynists level at women who are “old” and also “mums”; that’s the entire point.

I think that some people who are supported on this section of the website are fascist or fascist adjacent, like, say, Jordan Peterson or Jacob Rees Mogg who wants abortion banned in every case, and who has used antisemitic slurs in the House of Commons addressed an extreme nationalist group, and retweeted approvingly the neonazi AfD

Yet despite their explicit antifeminist positions, they are endorsed because they share the antitrans position of some posters - regardless of those other positions.

I've posted praise for a feminist- not only have I faced considerable abuse, but several posters are claiming that @GoodJanetBadJanet and I are the same person, I think that has to do with their own narrowmindedness.

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theclangersarecoming · 07/07/2022 23:35

Well, this is just ridiculous. You, antifascist, go about the forum literally calling people “fascists” (old is pretty good compared to that - I’ll take it); but you don’t like anyone pointing out that in doing so, you sound like a very famous comedy student character who goes about talking about “old fascists”?

And Janet, “dried up” is a perennial insult misogynists level at women who are “old” and also “mums”; that’s the entire point.

RoseslnTheHospital · 07/07/2022 23:31

I can't believe it's necessary to explain the ageism, but it is the assumption that someone with a different opinion is older and therefore out of touch that is problematic. Not someone correctly stating that you happen to be older, Janet.

antifascist · 07/07/2022 23:29

theclangersarecoming · 07/07/2022 23:10

Oh dear, Bad Janet, it’s called satire. Did you miss the OP getting the jibes in about being old?

As an aside and general musing, why do the gender people never seem to have any sense of nuance or humour? All our gendery posters seem to have exactly the same writing style of heavy handed earnest disingenuousness. It’s enough to make me wonder sometimes if they are all the same person, locked in a basement somewhere in Brighton, surrounded only by lonely stacks of unsold pronoun pins. <joking>

I guess if you are all sharing the same joke you find it hard to have a sense of humour of your own.

a number of posters became offended by my
posting praise of Lynda Carter in solidarity with a feminist who recognises that there are bigger threats to women than trans people.

they made “jokes “ comparing me with Rick from the Young ones - (a programme which is around 40 years old)

they also claimed that I and @GoodJanetBadJanet are the same person.

I guess it’s hard to acknowledge that there are a number of people who find some of the views on Mumsnet to be quite narrow minded and to tolerate extreme positions from those who are anti-trans , whilst being extremely dismissive of feminists who don’t share those views.

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GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/07/2022 23:23

Cross post

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/07/2022 23:22

Janet, care to admonish the OP about their blatant ageism?
What, the "perhaps it's because you're old?" post?
No, because I don't take offence at a post just calling me old (as I am 😁 ) but dried up isnt funny even if it is bantz or satire.

PearlClutch · 07/07/2022 23:21

So - you think the OP was wrong to tell another poster they were 'old' like that?