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achillestoes · 2022-07-05T18:06:12+00:00

In case we hadn’t had enough drama. Good luck, Maya.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/07/2022 11:44

Congratulations Maya! Wonderful, wonderful news!

SidewaysOtter · 06/07/2022 11:44

Do we think CGD will appeal?

334bu · 06/07/2022 11:43

Brava!!

Coyoacan · 06/07/2022 11:43

Such good news. Many thanks to Maya and all her supporters

LaughingPriest · 06/07/2022 11:43

Forgotten about the red/black "Nazi" nonsense. Absolute desperation.

ickky · 06/07/2022 11:42

What a relief for Maya. Congratulations

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 06/07/2022 11:41

Yes!!!

Well done and huge congratulations, Maya. You have accomplished so much with this.

Really hope you have an enormous bottle of fizz handy. 🍾

yourhairiswinterfire · 06/07/2022 11:41

Saw they dismissed those stupid ramblings about the Fair Play for Women video, they said it was a normal campaign video, and nothing wrong with the colours red and black I remembered that from the case as being a particularly bonkers scrape of the barrel, so glad the tribunal were having none of it!

The 'red evil hand of a transwoman'

🤣

Redshoeblueshoe · 06/07/2022 11:41

Congratulations Maya - ❤🍾🍾🍾

SquirrelSoShiny · 06/07/2022 11:40

Maya you are amazing and have done so much to protect women Thank you for what you've done.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 06/07/2022 11:40

This is amazing. I wonder if her employer will appeal?

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 06/07/2022 11:40

Oh happy, happy day!

I’ve had a little sob. Such a relief.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2022 11:39

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 06/07/2022 11:20

286.1 At pages 921 and 1034, where Ms Fortstater asserted that “other
people are not compelled to accept it [the proposition that a
transwoman is a woman] as relating to any material reality” and that
“ a man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material
reality”. The Tribunal considered it to be clear that individuals might
be offended by these statements. They are, however,
straightforward statements of Ms Forstater’s (protected) gender
critical belief. The Tribunal considered that to characterise these as
manifestations of the belief to which objection could reasonably be
taken would be to hold that the belief itself was not worthy of
protection, when the Employment Appeal Tribunal has decided that
this is not the case.
286.2 At pages 915 and 932, where Ms Forstater drew a comparison
between transwomen and Rachel Dolezal. The Tribunal did not
consider it necessary or appropriate to embark on any analysis of
Rachel Dolezal’s situation. We found, however, that the point that
Ms Forstater was making – that there is an analogy to be drawn
between someone who is white identifying as black and someone
who is (according to gender critical belief) male identifying as a
woman – did little more than assert her gender critical belief.

These are excellent paragraphs.

They are indeed.

NotTerfNorCis · 06/07/2022 11:39

This is great news! Cheered me up today. :)

BudgetTarzan · 06/07/2022 11:39

Oh that is brilliant news.

SameSkyDifferentPlanet · 06/07/2022 11:38

What an amazing woman. She must have an extraordinary amount of courage to get through this. Maya, you are an example to us all.

I have been meaning to join Sex Matters and my small contribution to the cause will be to do that today, in response to this judgement and your complete awesomeness!

dolorsit · 06/07/2022 11:38

I've just sneakingly logged in during a meeting- really glad that I'm muted with my screen off!

LaughingPriest · 06/07/2022 11:37

Excellent! Need some time to read the judgement properly. Sounds like there's some valuable stuff in there.

theclangers that makes sense, thanks!

rogdmum · 06/07/2022 11:36

Fabulous news!

SpottyBumPony · 06/07/2022 11:36

Congratulations Maya, you must be over the moon x

Steppedonalego · 06/07/2022 11:36

This is wonderful, Maya you are such a star.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 06/07/2022 11:36

Had a quick skim, not that I'm any sort of legal brain 😂

Saw they dismissed those stupid ramblings about the Fair Play for Women video, they said it was a normal campaign video, and nothing wrong with the colours red and black I remembered that from the case as being a particularly bonkers scrape of the barrel, so glad the tribunal were having none of it!

Very, very happy to have been proven wrong on my predictions! What a day for women, and what a shero Maya!

SpinningForTheWorld · 06/07/2022 11:34

GCRich · 06/07/2022 11:26

Welll done Maya, so glad.

I presume that part of Maya's strategy in this case (and I am not saying this as any sort of criticim, I presume it is normal) is the "throw as much shit at the wall as you can and see what sticks" approach.

It seems to me that any claim that Gender Critical beliefs are more likely to be held by women was always a long shot. Women might have thought about their belief and might be more likely to hold a considered, thoughtful position... but I'd imagine that if you were to judge the belief by asking a load of straight men and women whether they really believe that TWAW and TMAM and whether they are open to engaging in "straight sex" with trans people of the same biological sex as them then men would come out as more GC than women. Less missplaced "be nice" going on.

Go MAYA!

Yes it's the same strategy that Allison adopted - you have to think of everything so the Respondents have less wriggle room.

I agree about the research needing to be done now, in detail, about sex / GC belief, which is what I was alluding to above. This is either going to be a fruitful avenue to pursue in future cases once the research is nailed down; or it isn't.

Either way, it's research worth doing.

Humbolt · 06/07/2022 11:34

Thank you Maya. For your strength to keep going - your clear-headed determination and the enormous sacrifice it must have taken to keep pursuing your case in the face of hostility, threats to your wellbeing and constant lying about your motivations and beliefs (not to mention the financial hit you must have taken) This is a magnificent day and I hope you enjoy it and are immensely proud of yourself.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 11:34

obvs fewer words and no functioning brain, but that is the gist! WHOOP!