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achillestoes · 2022-07-05T18:06:12+00:00

In case we hadn’t had enough drama. Good luck, Maya.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 13:57

Yes, many people believe it is possible to change sex.

Anyone is free to believe this.

They are not free to force others to believe, or pretend to believe.

bloomety · 06/07/2022 13:52

ReneBumsWombats · 06/07/2022 13:49

It's not an opinion. It's hard fact.

Humans can't change sex.

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Well what do trans people think? To me it’s a fact but to them they think they can.

Roguebludger · 06/07/2022 13:52

She's amazing to have gone through this for so long. We can all be a little braver now because of her!

littlbrowndog · 06/07/2022 13:50

Congrats maya for everything you have done for women.

❤️❤️❤️❤️

ReneBumsWombats · 06/07/2022 13:49

bloomety · 06/07/2022 13:44

That’s amazing, it means I can now confidently say that I am not transphobic in my belief that a man or woman cannot just say they are the opposite sex and that means they are. I’m allowed to express that opinion and it’s protected by law.

It's not an opinion. It's hard fact.

Humans can't change sex.

FigRollsAlly · 06/07/2022 13:47

FigRollsAlly · 06/07/2022 12:08

Yes, and hopefully the fact that the judge herself didn’t feel this crossed a line is good too.

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Just to correct my earlier post: it wasn’t the phrase ‘man in a dress’ but ‘part time cross dresser’ that formed part of the tweet. To add to my sins I also misgendered the judge who was Judge Andrew Glennie. Note to self - when very excited and happy, slow down before posting!

bloomety · 06/07/2022 13:44

That’s amazing, it means I can now confidently say that I am not transphobic in my belief that a man or woman cannot just say they are the opposite sex and that means they are. I’m allowed to express that opinion and it’s protected by law.

Pluvia · 06/07/2022 13:42

So, in the light of this, would it be possible for someone at Sex Matters to produce a model response that could be used by anyone asked to give their pronouns at work? Citing this judgment, emphasising the right not to believe in GI, the right to express those beliefs and requesting not to be compelled to participate in it?

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 13:41

Front page BBC.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 13:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62061929

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/07/2022 13:37

AuntMunca · 06/07/2022 13:10

The judgement has just been covered as a news item on R4's World at One programme.

Yes, I just came to say this! They managed to cover it despite all the PMQs kerfuffle

chilling19 · 06/07/2022 13:33

Thank you Maya! Like many others we will now be able to challenge, where necessary, within our organisations.

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2022 13:33

If I were the Halifax HR and PR departments I'd be having a bit of a shit fit over the implications of this. The timing is rotten (but they should have been aware it was coming).

Also see anyone else who has used Stonewall for advice...
If I were a business who had taken advice off Stonewall, and I got taken to court on the back of the dodgy advice I'd got, I'd be asking some questions and maybe seeking legal advice...
...If I was still be advised by Stonewall, and I had policies in place that could be considered problematic as the result of this ruling, I'd bin them immediately rather than encouraging workplace wide insistance on pronouns.
...If I had quit my job / felt forced out on the basis of Stonewall nonsense after raising concerns, I'd be seeking legal advice.

If I were Stonewall, I'd be looking at alternative fundraising methods to advising organisations as a business model and have the legal team down in the office to see if there might be some fall out that might land back on them.

Question: How does this sit with mandatory work place training and enforced compelled speech over the use of 'woman'?

Oh deary me. What a mess.

SheldontheWonderSchlong · 06/07/2022 13:32

Wonderful news! Thank you Maya.

It's on the front page of the Guardian app as well.

LovinglifeAF · 06/07/2022 13:30

RhymesWithOrange · 06/07/2022 13:10

Look at Peter Daly's explanation. She didn't "lose" her claim of harassment.

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Amazing thank you. I was looking at the victimisation points

WellThatsMeScrewed · 06/07/2022 13:30

Well done Maya and her legal team.

It makes me feel a little braver in my world of work.

Cailleach1 · 06/07/2022 13:28

CampervanKween · 06/07/2022 12:56

Such a great day. I have to say Terf Island has been incredibly influential and leading the way in this fight. Terribly proud of our little Island today.

I was writing a post about how women in other countries may not have have the same clear protections to fall back on. And with gender belief legislation gone through, which is much harder to pull back. But I won't. Women in the UK have been phenomenal in organising and fighting this stuff. Even the sunlight where the legal fight didn't succeed (Cristina Criado Perez). Standing up for women anywhere is standing up for women everywhere.

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 06/07/2022 13:27

MarshaBradyo
This is great but reading the previous judgement at the tribunal I was 😮how bad was that

Yes, I remember that so well, it was gutting and demoralizing. I also remember Joanne Rowling's tweet of support a while after the ruling came out. Now it seems like Maya losing the first time was all for the best, at least for us gender critical feminists as a group. It must have been hellish for Maya. Massive admiration and gratitude to her.

MissHavershamJoinsTinder · 06/07/2022 13:26

Thank you, Maya.

LovinglifeAF · 06/07/2022 13:23

I don’t think CGD will appeal

Pluvia · 06/07/2022 13:20

Just had a message from a friend who works in HR and has been fending off suggestions from well-meaning, uninformed higher management to bring in 'trans' training and pronouns. She is thrilled. She says she's now equipped with heavy weaponry.

kittythames · 06/07/2022 13:20

So good!

abc5432 · 06/07/2022 13:18

Congratulations to Maya 💐what a relief and how ridiculous that it ever came to this. If only politicians would do their legislative scrutiny role properly.

chilling19 · 06/07/2022 13:17

Yay!!!

Over600Ecalypts · 06/07/2022 13:16

Now of the BBC front page, above the Friend article.

Maya

The ruling is a fantastic result for Maya!