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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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Melroses · 06/07/2022 14:54

Melroses · 06/07/2022 14:52

I went out for a while and can't keep up !!!!!

They are going to have to carry him out, bodily, aren't they. 🙄

That seems to be Liam Fox's job. Will keep waiting.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:52

@ElbowGreaseLightning

She has done a great deal for women and children and for free speech. I like her.

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Melroses · 06/07/2022 14:52

I went out for a while and can't keep up !!!!!

They are going to have to carry him out, bodily, aren't they. 🙄

ElbowGreaseLightning · 06/07/2022 14:50

Badenoch is a woman of huge integrity

OMG I cannot believe I just read this.
She is my MP. She has done NOTHING for her constituency. KB only serves herself. Her constituents would highly disagree with your statement about her integrity.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:48

@Provenceinthesummer

This is democracy. Another Tory leader will take over.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:46

Hardly! Otherwise she might care about democracy.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:45

It is a remain exodus

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:45

Badenoch is a woman of huge integrity.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:45

kemi
another arch remainer!

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:44

Kemi, gone.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:43

@Provenceinthesummer

We’ll have to agree to differ.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:42

LIAM FOX just withdrew his support from Johnson. That’s like losing Dobby the Elf.

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Cuck00soup · 06/07/2022 14:41

The latest resignations including Kemi Badenoch were co-ordinated. This seems like a sign of gathering pace, doesn't it?

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:38

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:33

@Provenceinthesummer

It isn’t how this democracy functions. He is accountable to his MPs. Part of me hopes he wins (getting rid of him risks Penny Mordaunt) but he has to win to be legitimate. MPs aren’t ‘men in grey suits’, they’re our representatives.

For gods sake how many times!!

The Confidence Vote only happened last week! He won the full confidence of his MPs

It is not the case that we keep going until we get a ‘different answer.’ He won just days ago - the result should be upheld and respected. It might not suit all, but that’s how democracy works.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:33

After this I imagine the main parties are going to split - Labour is falling apart - it feels like something huge is truly shifting

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:33

@Provenceinthesummer

It isn’t how this democracy functions. He is accountable to his MPs. Part of me hopes he wins (getting rid of him risks Penny Mordaunt) but he has to win to be legitimate. MPs aren’t ‘men in grey suits’, they’re our representatives.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:32

i imagine if pushed he will call a GE

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:29

I disagree - we are still a democratic and fair state if the elected leaders are still accountable to the ELECTORATE and not the little men in the grey suits in the committee.
People will have their chance to voice their feelings at the ballot box. That is how democracies function.

MangyInseam · 06/07/2022 14:27

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 00:27

Like him being guilty of breaking the law at work during a time of great national distress? Tried that one

How about him having sex at work with someone he wasn’t married to? Nope, that’s out there too.

Lying to the queen - she’s popular just now - surely no one wants to see the old dear disrespected? Oh, no, the public know about that already.

Ooooh, I know abuse of his position - people hate that. If they found out he tried to get his mistress a £100k a year job she was in no way qualified to do…..surely he’d go to keep that quie……..oh, no, we’ve put that behind us.

You can’t blackmail someone who doesn’t care what people think. He doesn’t think people are important, so their opinions have no merit. There are no consequences for his actions. He has money, he has power. He has connections. He has never learnt that there are consequences for crappy actions. If he did a poor job, or broke the law, or shafted his wife, or got an unspecified number of women who weren’t his wife pregnant, he just….walked away. Got another job through the old boys network, paid the fines (with no noticeable effect on his available money), ignored the child. People don’t matter to him. Why would he GAF what we know? We can’t do anything about it. So why would he resign from a position he has coveted his whole life, and expected - feels he has not just deserves, but is a right, just because people he couldn’t give a shit about know he did stuff that he doesn’t think is wrong for him to do anyway? He won’t. He’s basically untouchable because he doesn’t care.

You can pressure people in areas that have nothing to do with their feelings, where they have to make a pragmatic decision to save their own skin.

The question is whether anyone wants to bring that kind of element into it.

If his position will become untenable in other ways I imagine they won't. But I don't think the party will allow him to stay if they think he will lose them an election.

I think there is a good chance he'll be done by the end of the month, if not this week.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:26

@Provenceinthesummer

I understand the concern, but the PM should be able to command the confidence of the majority of his party. He’s just an MP otherwise.

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GCRich · 06/07/2022 14:23

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:21

Don’t you see that if every elected leader is subjected to relentless confidence votes - regardless of political colour - we will never ever get anything done, the country becomes a failed undemocratic state - we vote someone into office in good faith, and it’s overthrown by some men in grey suits further down the line.

And of course that’s going to apply to every leader - the rules will be changed. It is such a corrosive concept I am not even sure they will vote for it - the committee.

A PM will no longer have any power - it can be taken at any moment by an unelected man/men in the back office. The rules can be bent and changed at will. Of course we should be worried about that!!

Don't you get that we have become a failed state because we have a leader who no-one trusts because he is demonstrably dishonest and corrupt?

GCRich · 06/07/2022 14:22

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:06

You are missing the point. He won the vote, and shouldn’t need to face another for 12 months

If the future of democracy in the UK is dependent on the internal rules of the tory party then democracy is already fucked in the UK.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 14:21

Don’t you see that if every elected leader is subjected to relentless confidence votes - regardless of political colour - we will never ever get anything done, the country becomes a failed undemocratic state - we vote someone into office in good faith, and it’s overthrown by some men in grey suits further down the line.

And of course that’s going to apply to every leader - the rules will be changed. It is such a corrosive concept I am not even sure they will vote for it - the committee.

A PM will no longer have any power - it can be taken at any moment by an unelected man/men in the back office. The rules can be bent and changed at will. Of course we should be worried about that!!

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 14:15

Well, it's a tactic. One that Scotland is getting used to!

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:09

Surely nobody here would want Johnson in place as PM without the confidence of the majority of his MPs? On what basis would he be PM?

OTOH, if it turns out he does have it, the dissenters need to stop whining and let him get on.

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