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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:13

@Provenceinthesummer

A general election would just make Johnson an MP for Uxbridge. He has to have the support of the Tory party to govern.

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Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 16:13

People didn’t vote for another Tory, they voted for Boris

The only people who voted for him are the constituents in Uxbridge. If we follow your (ridiculous) logic May shouldn’t have been PM.

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 16:12

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

Independent research indicates you're underestimating public opinion against him.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:11

Mike Freer just resigned.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:09

I think we deserve to retain our democracy. I
think most people would accept the result of a GE.

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 16:08

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:21

Trust me the man on the street if Boris does go, and a remainer is installed or even a feeble brexiteer will see this for what it is - a stitch up!

And let’s hope no leader gets too comfortable for a few weeks as they can be thrown out as soon as the little grey men say so.

Its certainly a very good day for Putin old boy

I think this very much depends what street 'the man' or woman is on.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:06

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

If it happens I hope you are right. The end of this being Starmer elected is not desirable

I think partygate has been hugely damaging - that slow repetition dominating the news created by someone who can play the public well - but maybe he can weather it, I’m not sure

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:06

@Provenceinthesummer

Not at all. I think Johnson is a gifted politician and respect (to an extent) his determination. But I respect democracy more.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:02

He has nothing to lose, and still has a huge following. You are underestimating him

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:00

He’s PM so he can call a snap election, but the risks are: he’d lose his seat, MPs would decline to stand because they couldn’t support him going to the country without the support of the parliamentary party, he’d win and have so little support in the party that we would just have to have the VONC again.

The bottom line is extremely simple: no PM can continue without a majority of MPs onside. No agenda would progress and it would be destructive for everyone.

Mordaunt, though...

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 15:59

I really don’t want that but then I don’t want Starmer and his band taking over

It’s hard enough hearing them now

I’m interested in what you say though, can he just call it

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:58

Johnson can call an election any time he wants to - he does not need party approval. He simply advises the Queen.

he has already raised the prospect - I agree it needs to go to an election. It needs to be settled

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 15:52

No matter how much Johnson says he will spark an election, he's still got to have the support of the party for that

I agree everyone is just saving themselves but what form does this take? Do they have to give a consensus in some form

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/07/2022 15:50

Penny Mordaunt is the bookies favourite for next leader.

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2022 15:42

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 14:56

They are going to have to carry him out, bodily, aren't they.

I’m swaying re whether 1922 can take him out but he got an 80 seat majority, whatever happens it’s depressing

A huge and lengthy campaign and he’s out

Listening to PMQ I think he’s too damaged to go on tbf

It’s a huge mess and everyone has become involved in the outcome

Tory MPs want to keep their seats. Its in their interests to oust Johnson, but not have another election.

No matter how much Johnson says he will spark an election, he's still got to have the support of the party for that....

...the party will save their own necks and jobs first.

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2022 15:39

Cuck00soup · 06/07/2022 14:41

The latest resignations including Kemi Badenoch were co-ordinated. This seems like a sign of gathering pace, doesn't it?

I'd say so.

Michael Gove has apparently declared he's staying but has privately told Johnson to just go.

If thats true, it doesn't really sound like he has the continuing support of those MPs who say they are staying.

And that makes me think, that their position may yet change if Johnson doesn't go (and the only reason they are currently staying is for their own reasons or to try and save Johnson the embarassment of them going too).

I would watch carefully, because the bigger the number going, the hard it is for Johnson to replace government roles with backbenchers (who seem to dislike him even more) and the more untenible the position for those who do remain in Cabinet.

Also watch for the sharks circling for position in the Next Great Tory Leadership Election. (I do like a good Tory Leadership Election. Its better than a soap opera).

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:21

Trust me the man on the street if Boris does go, and a remainer is installed or even a feeble brexiteer will see this for what it is - a stitch up!

And let’s hope no leader gets too comfortable for a few weeks as they can be thrown out as soon as the little grey men say so.

Its certainly a very good day for Putin old boy

Cuck00soup · 06/07/2022 15:19

Give has told Boris to go it seems. So to answer my question from last night, he has gone for the jugular.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:17

It’s good to have a good clearout. We might get a proper government focused on the job in hand now.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 15:17

‘People didn’t vote for another Tory, they voted for Boris.’

No, that isn’t how it works.

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Cuck00soup · 06/07/2022 15:10

ElbowGreaseLightning · 06/07/2022 14:50

Badenoch is a woman of huge integrity

OMG I cannot believe I just read this.
She is my MP. She has done NOTHING for her constituency. KB only serves herself. Her constituents would highly disagree with your statement about her integrity.

Hello neighbour. I agree she is a poor constituency MP and her politics are too hawkish for me.

However I am pleased that she knows what a woman is and is prepared to say it. For what it's worth, the first time I wrote to her on this issue, some years back now, I got a "be kind" email full of captured language, so I value her turnaround on this.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 15:01

I agree mangly We are no longer a democracy if this can happen.

Op, you can’t just replace him for another Tory. People didn’t vote for another Tory, they voted for Boris. If the leader were to be a remainer given the one mandate Boris was given about brexit - then it would rightly look like a stinking corrupt stitch up - and it wouldn’t be their first attempt -

Revolution looks one step closer today

Melroses · 06/07/2022 14:57

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 14:52

@ElbowGreaseLightning

She has done a great deal for women and children and for free speech. I like her.

I do too.

People say the same of my constituency MP and also about her ministerial work, but TBH she is no different to the last one.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 14:56

They are going to have to carry him out, bodily, aren't they.

I’m swaying re whether 1922 can take him out but he got an 80 seat majority, whatever happens it’s depressing

A huge and lengthy campaign and he’s out

Listening to PMQ I think he’s too damaged to go on tbf

It’s a huge mess and everyone has become involved in the outcome

MangyInseam · 06/07/2022 14:56

MoltenLasagne · 06/07/2022 12:46

I've slightly lost the thread of what's going on here, but I think you can wholeheartedly want Boris to go, hope he gets shamed into it, but be concerned that the answer to him not leaving is to change the rules.

The no confidence vote was restricted to once a year max to give the country stability, even if it's the stability of a known dodgy quantity. Taking that away gives the party yet more power over the prime minister and means a future PM will know to be more concerned about the party than the electorate.

I just feel very uncomfortable with the notion that we should undermine rules of governing the country for a short term aim.

I tend to agree with that. It's not great to have fractious MPs with the option of constantly trying to play the numbers.

I thought the proroguing thing was the most worrying element of what Boris has done for similar reasons. In that he was following what happened in Canada a few years ago now, where it was equally a bad thing. It was in some ways probably inevitable that a PM would try this given that it worked in another Westminster system.

My view in both cases is that it should have been absolutely refused, because it undermines the system, but that hasn't seemed to be the decision. I suppose because it was felt that it would be destabilizing in itself, but I think that's a error that would belong to the public rather than being structural.

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