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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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LoobiJee · 06/07/2022 20:35

Torunette · 06/07/2022 13:37

It's been building for years, but this is the state of UK politics. We built it. This is where/when we pay for it!

I'm heavily involved in local politics and government. The truth is far more depressing than this. The state we are in, politically, in Britain is down to the fact that ordinary people are just too knackered, too busy, carry too heavy a load to hold any kind of civic role or position alongside everything else. People have mortgages and bills, jobs, kids and caring obligations; they don't have the energy for anything else.

So you end up with people who have fewer responsibilities. If someone is under the age of retirement, you generally discover why those people have fewer responsibilities. And it's usually not good.

In every political or civic body or organisation I come across, Pareto plays out. 20% of the people do 80% of the work. These people carry an entire regional branch, an entire council, an entire community group on their backs; after a while, it's shattering. As a rule, these people are never the ones that end up where we need them as a society: using their experience and knowledge to consider and make good law and policy. No, the accolades fall onto the twats, the self-promoters, the Machiavellis, the psychos, and they are the ones who end up on executive boards, and as councillors and MPs.

The pool from which politicians are drawn is inaccessible to most people. And it is inaccessible because most people just do not have the time or the energy to get to a point where they can jump into it. It's not even about money most of the time, it's about having a spare evening a week to spend on something that doesn't make you money, care for your family or provide a respite from your frantic life.

That's why British politics is a mess. We don't need people with passion; we need pragmatic, thoughtful people with a decent amount of life experience who are in the position where they can give up a few spare evenings a week to ask pertinent questions and stop utterly stupid decisions being made (and who will read fucking briefing papers beforehand, to boot).

Spot on.

MoltenLasagne · 06/07/2022 20:34

Jesus, Mogg or Mordaunt... what a thought. One that doesn't know what a woman is and the other who knows exactly what one is but thinks we're meant to be second class citizens.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/07/2022 20:08

She's been keeping a low profile and schmoozing MPs for months. There is a reason she's the bookies favourite.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 19:54

It’s early days, it could be anyone.

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teawamutu · 06/07/2022 19:52

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/07/2022 15:50

Penny Mordaunt is the bookies favourite for next leader.

I'd genuinely rather keep Johnson.

Even Mogg would be preferable.

Porcupineintherough · 06/07/2022 17:38

Chevyimpala67 · 06/07/2022 17:33

Much as I despise Dominic Cummings he has succeeded in destroying the tories.

He stated aim.

I hardly think it's just Cummings who has caused this debacle.

Chevyimpala67 · 06/07/2022 17:33

Much as I despise Dominic Cummings he has succeeded in destroying the tories.

He stated aim.

idiotfacelicker · 06/07/2022 17:31

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 10:51

A law fining anyone for a bloody birthday cake is not worth the paper it’s written on!!

Wait until you find out who made that law Blush

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 17:19

urbanbuddha · 06/07/2022 17:17

Gosh! How weird to pop by the Feminism boards and find a bunch of Boris fangirls.
The man's a rancid misogynist who literally can't tell you how many children he has.

🙄 and how nice you did

why not stay where you can use fangirls or whatever silly language you want on the other countless threads - there are loads to chose from

At least on here people can discuss process etc without posts like this

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 17:18

@urbanbuddha

It’s none of my business how many children he has.

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urbanbuddha · 06/07/2022 17:17

Gosh! How weird to pop by the Feminism boards and find a bunch of Boris fangirls.
The man's a rancid misogynist who literally can't tell you how many children he has.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 17:11

Priti Patel is telling him it’s over.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 17:06

It’s all over except for the tweets, really.

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RedToothBrush · 06/07/2022 16:54

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:00

He’s PM so he can call a snap election, but the risks are: he’d lose his seat, MPs would decline to stand because they couldn’t support him going to the country without the support of the parliamentary party, he’d win and have so little support in the party that we would just have to have the VONC again.

The bottom line is extremely simple: no PM can continue without a majority of MPs onside. No agenda would progress and it would be destructive for everyone.

Mordaunt, though...

In theory he could.

However he also has the reality of how does he fund an election without the support of his party MPs?

He could appoint pro-Johnson candidates, but there is the question of just how many would he need to appoint and whether Tory party grassroots would support this too.

Theres the physical issue of running an election without your manpower from the Tory Party.

So in practice he knows that this really isn't viable as a strategy. He's run election campaigns before. He needs enough people to manage to do this.

As it stands with Cabinet Ministers apparently telling him its time, he hasn't got this. If he tried to do it he'd spark either a constitutional crisis or a party crisis.

Ultimately Trump couldn't do it without the backing on his party. Thats probably more true of Johnson.

Game Up if rumours about the Cabinet revolt really are true and I very much suspect they are.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:46

Noises re Zahawi being part of a group to approach PM

people are just going for it in liaison committee, sad really

(not privileges)

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:44

But it looks increasingly likely that he will do that.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:43

Even a snap election would not do him any good. It’s not a mandate to lead the Conservative party.

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PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 16:40

Kemi Badenoch resigned ... twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1544673839363268616

BreadInCaptivity · 06/07/2022 16:38

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

How very Trumpian.....

Power at any price.

What a dreadful thing to support and try to justify.

The simple fact is that the 1922 shouldn't have to get rid of Boris. Any politician with a basic smattering of integrity would have resigned long before now.

But here we are and BJ is guaranteed to do what's best for him regardless of the consequences to his party and the country.

So I wouldn't rule out a purge of the party and a snap election but that's not cause for celebration. It's a very bad day for British politics.

Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 16:34

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

You think pro Johnson candidates would get elected? You’re in fairy land.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:29

I have just spent the time checking voting records and all bar a few every single resignation comes from remain. No surprise really.

This is orchestrated, co ordinated action.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:28

Yes he can continue to govern, in a snap election pro Boris MPs will be chosen to stand therefore making a VONC a non issue.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 16:26

He’s on Times Radio atm with privileges committee

it’s less febrile that the PMQ environment

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 16:20

But even if he keeps his seat, the 1922 committee will still unseat him through a VONC if he doesn’t have the support of the party. He can’t govern on the basis of the support of the people of Uxbridge.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 16:14

Nope he can call a snap election now as PM