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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 16:27

Boris for this faults pledged to level up, he worked hard to finally overhaul social care.

Boris has never worked hard at anything in his life, apart from at lying to save his skin. And he most certainly has NOT overhauled social care.

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 16:26

Anyone that seriously seriously thinks that the next Tory leader will be continuing with levelling up and social care tax are utterly delusional.

We are just about to see the hard side of the Conservative party

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 16:12

It was heavily tied to Johnson amd linked to his personal failings

That was the choice of Labour and others

We’ll see how much it sticks on the new leader but I doubt say, Ben Wallace for example would be accountable to the public for partygate

Of course the posters already committed on mn will talk about it to eternity but it was linked to Johnson

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 16:11

Partygate absoluetely won't be dropped soon if a) Johnson really is hanging on for his wedding bash b) Rishi stands.

Blossomtoes · 07/07/2022 16:07

Partygate won’t be dropped any time soon. Partying while granny died alone and pictures of the Queen sitting alone at her husband’s funeral will haunt the Tories for years.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 16:01

I don’t think it’s deluded I know Labour are desperate for a GE but time is on the Cons side

However no one knows what will happen, nor who will win so it’s wait and see

Listening earlier to Wakefield feedback two big issues were partygate and high spending - so both could be dropped with Johnson

Blossomtoes · 07/07/2022 15:49

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 15:33

Two years is plenty of time! Potentially six…

More like six months. You’re deluded if you think it will be much longer. GE in the spring, if not sooner.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 15:44

Part of the issue was reportedly Sunak and Johnson diverging on spending currently

There is a fair bit of disgruntlement over spending in the party and in post bi election feedback

Johnson was on the spend more side and at the other end some will talk about returning to small state, lower taxes

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 15:33

Two years is plenty of time! Potentially six…

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 15:24

Boris for this faults pledged to level up, he worked hard to finally overhaul social care.
He believed the route for the conservatives was creating a fairer society, and I can not adequately explain just how very badly that went down in the party.
Many a time I have heard people call him Labour
Lite and a bloody socialist. When you look at his policies you can see the aggravation.

He should have cut tax when he had the chance and should not have forced through that very contentious social care policy. He thought he was safe with his comfortable majority - but it was a huge mistake unless he was actively serving and benefiting the conservatives and their direct interests his days were always going to be numbered….

The Money Train has screeched to a shuddering stop - the true age of austerity has started as of today

Blossomtoes · 07/07/2022 15:14

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 14:40

Get ready folks for savage austerity, tax cuts and a bonfire of social care policy/ levelling up/NHS/benefits funds and everything else Boris has pledged to do.
The rolling money train Boris was so intent on delivering to level up that so incensed the party has had the brakes screeched on.
I hope you are all prepared for what is coming next.
The next leader will have to ‘prove’ that they have listened and are ready to back strict conservatism, enough to make Maggie Thatcher look like a hippie socialist.

The next Tory leader won’t have much time to do anything so I’m not bothered. Take your hyperbolic scaremongering somewhere else.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 14:54

Provence you may well be right as much as the left hated Johnson he loved to spend, and he had strong detractors in his own party who didn’t like it

3luckystars · 07/07/2022 14:45

Yikes

Provenceinthesummer · 07/07/2022 14:40

Get ready folks for savage austerity, tax cuts and a bonfire of social care policy/ levelling up/NHS/benefits funds and everything else Boris has pledged to do.
The rolling money train Boris was so intent on delivering to level up that so incensed the party has had the brakes screeched on.
I hope you are all prepared for what is coming next.
The next leader will have to ‘prove’ that they have listened and are ready to back strict conservatism, enough to make Maggie Thatcher look like a hippie socialist.

mrshoho · 07/07/2022 14:35

Who would benefit from him staying til Autumn? No one. He must go immediately. Every day he remains there is detrimental to the country let alone the party. What a disaster. If he won't go then they must use whatever means; 1922 ? to oust him.

Blossomtoes · 07/07/2022 13:58

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 07/07/2022 12:58

Mentioning Ukraine in the leaving speech is worrying imo. When would be a bad time to install a new PM...when we are at war.

It didn’t seem to be a problem for us when Churchill took over. Of course we were actually at war then - unlike now.

ApplesandBunions · 07/07/2022 13:52

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 07/07/2022 12:58

Mentioning Ukraine in the leaving speech is worrying imo. When would be a bad time to install a new PM...when we are at war.

He was always going to mention Ukraine, it's his default.

Also, there have been loads of wars where the UK replaced the PM in the middle of it. WW2, for example. It's not a concern in itself.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 07/07/2022 12:58

Mentioning Ukraine in the leaving speech is worrying imo. When would be a bad time to install a new PM...when we are at war.

Blossomtoes · 07/07/2022 12:54

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 07/07/2022 12:51

Nor me Melrose he just said from next week they would start looking to replace him.

I think he will do everything he can to stay on. I think we are in dangerous times.

I agree. The Tory party’s job now is to evict him immediately.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 07/07/2022 12:51

Nor me Melrose he just said from next week they would start looking to replace him.

I think he will do everything he can to stay on. I think we are in dangerous times.

Melroses · 07/07/2022 12:42

Is he actually resigning now - I am not sure that he actually mentioned it?

ApplesandBunions · 07/07/2022 11:50

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 11:47

He did change his mind re NHS

I remember being very against it (and many disagreeing with me) and I was glad he reassessed and changed the outcome

Eventually, after having caused lots of completely avoidable trouble and work for an already struggling organisation. I do remember your posts.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 11:47

He did change his mind re NHS

I remember being very against it (and many disagreeing with me) and I was glad he reassessed and changed the outcome

ApplesandBunions · 07/07/2022 11:25

achillestoes · 07/07/2022 11:23

@ApplesandBunions

I understand your perspective. I’m more forgiving of mistakes made during that period.

I do not forgive that one, especially because there's no reason to think he wouldn't be that arrogant again. He got perilously close to making the same mistake with the NHS too. That arrogance is troubling.