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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:52

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 21:36

How though? How can you get rid of a PM if he won’t do the decent thing and resign when not wanted? I’ve been saying it for a couple of years - Bozo will never resign. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks. So he’ll HAVE to be sacked. And the PM is sacked….how?

If he won't I think someone may apply some kind of personal pressure to force him to do so. Blackmail him, essentially.

As long as he has some in party support he could probably carry on, but if they are pretty united about him being a liability, I think they can probably manipulate him.

LoobiJee · 05/07/2022 21:50

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:47

Michelle Donelan moves to Education - winning.

She’s already in education. She’s been promoted from a junior ministerial role (higher education minister) to Secretary of State in the same department.

MarshaBradyo · 05/07/2022 21:50

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:45

Zahawi is Chancellor.

I’m pleased but wonder if he’s another high spender

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 21:50

They already tried that, though. Then they leaked a barrage of hypocrisy/sleaze/misconduct stories. Now his mates are hinting that he’s deceiving the public. He’s unsackable, isn’t he? Mind you, it’s probably not the worst thing for the country. With a bit of luck, he’ll take the Tories down with him for good long time - that’s why they want him out - but they mistook him for someone who cared for, well, anything but himself. He’ll be around for a while longer.

legaltigger · 05/07/2022 21:49

What do we know about Barclay?

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:49

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:14

@MangyInseam

I agree on some points but on others, no. It would have been easy for him to surrender to the pressure to ban trans conversion therapy. He didn’t. It would have been easy for him to talk a big game about Ukraine but not supply them with the means to defend themselves. He didn’t. He might easily have used New Zealand tactics in dealing with Covid. Etc.

He’s morally weak in areas.

Yes, I am thinking more personally really. Things like sexual continence, for example. He does better in politics, but the two spheres cross enough that it makes him a liability in politics. Most of his scandals have their origins in that kind of weakness getting in the way of better politics.

There have been political figures who were moral failures in their personal life but never let it touch their work, BJ is not one of them.

QuebecBagnet · 05/07/2022 21:48

At least Sunak’s wife can carry on not paying tax /being a non dom (or whatever it was) without kickback over him being chancellor now. 👀🙄

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:47

Michelle Donelan moves to Education - winning.

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:45

Zahawi is Chancellor.

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MarshaBradyo · 05/07/2022 21:44

There’s a lot of mumbling re high spend on Times radio

Some people in gov want him out due to that

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 21:42

Also, Sunak’s letter says:

The public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously.

Has he even fucking met Johnson? Because it’s obvious at first glance that he is not, and has never been, any of those things. I mean, I don’t know my neighbours that well, but I thought these two worked together, too?!

Wonder what gravy train he’s jumped onto, and what’s about to come out.

BreadInCaptivity · 05/07/2022 21:41

And the PM is sacked….how?

Through the 1922 committee of backbenchers. They can trigger a leadership contest following a vote if no confidence.

Currently BJ is safe as the 1922 rules say that having held a NC vote you can't hold another for a year....but the committee could change the rules if they wanted and next week a new committee will be voted in.

Behind the scenes there will be a hell of a lot of jostling between pro/anti BJ MP's to gain those seats to enable/prevent a change in the rules.

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 21:36

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:28

I think people in politics who are effective/successful, or at least somewhat those things, tend to deal with the situation before them, or the realistic possibilities that appear to be on offer. If that includes BJ as PM they are just going to get on with it.

That's not going to be an absolute, most people have a line, but I don't think idealists are usually all that effective in politics.

I think the party has decided BJ is a liability and they need a replacement in good time to reset for the next election. He may kick and scream but if they want him gone I think it will be quick.

How though? How can you get rid of a PM if he won’t do the decent thing and resign when not wanted? I’ve been saying it for a couple of years - Bozo will never resign. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks. So he’ll HAVE to be sacked. And the PM is sacked….how?

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 21:33

this is clearly internal power politics at play.

Completely.

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:28

RosaGallica · 05/07/2022 19:11

My response to Javid resigning was 'what, again'?
With Sunak going as well this is clearly internal power politics at play.
They do not care about trust and honesty etc any more than the next financiers. Don't kid yourselves that they do. They could very easily have gone before over Johnson's lies, or never joined him in the first place. There's been enough of them.

I think people in politics who are effective/successful, or at least somewhat those things, tend to deal with the situation before them, or the realistic possibilities that appear to be on offer. If that includes BJ as PM they are just going to get on with it.

That's not going to be an absolute, most people have a line, but I don't think idealists are usually all that effective in politics.

I think the party has decided BJ is a liability and they need a replacement in good time to reset for the next election. He may kick and scream but if they want him gone I think it will be quick.

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:27

Barclay is first in his family to attend university, went to Cambridge and Sandhurst.

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MarshaBradyo · 05/07/2022 21:26

FortonServices · 05/07/2022 21:02

out of all the strikes rail has the weakest position

But a teacher strike would really hit mumsnetters hard.

Tbf there’s good reason after the horror show of Covid closures. I doubt the public would be happy

but other services are more critical when it comes to strikes - eg fire service or Drs

Tirednurse1 · 05/07/2022 21:24

Zone2NorthLondon · 05/07/2022 19:10

Yes I am serious, I anticipate a snap election and he’ll win
BJ will hammer into the unions and public sector, instigate a hysteria about strikes etc. He was the BBC cowed and a huge right wing media presence

I think you are right.

I imagine he might have a slightly reduced majority, but a GE win is a mandate for his corruption.

He’ll come for the RMT, the teachers or the NHS unions (or all three) the way MT went for the miners. And many of his voters will love it.

Tirednurse1 · 05/07/2022 21:21

GrouchyKiwi · 05/07/2022 19:46

Fuck no. Have you seen the state of pretty much everything in Scotland?

It’s no better in England. I’d actually say it’s worse. The SNP aren’t great but have done a better job than the Tories.

I’ve lived and worked in both England and Scotland. English living in Scotland.

Tirednurse1 · 05/07/2022 21:19

Skinterior · 05/07/2022 19:41

Because we want massive numbers of drugs deaths and a shit education and health system?

No thanks

England certainly had a high amount of drug related deaths, a very shite health service (worse than Scotland - although both are shite) and a fractured and very shite education system when I was born and raised there, and when I lived and worked there.

The NHS and life in Scotland is better than in Northern England. Maybe there’s a different England that we in the North haven’t experienced.

Coming from an English person who has lived and worked in both countries. Scotlands public services are better.

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:14

@MangyInseam

I agree on some points but on others, no. It would have been easy for him to surrender to the pressure to ban trans conversion therapy. He didn’t. It would have been easy for him to talk a big game about Ukraine but not supply them with the means to defend themselves. He didn’t. He might easily have used New Zealand tactics in dealing with Covid. Etc.

He’s morally weak in areas.

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MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:11

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:27

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People have their own perceptions. I don’t think Johnson is a misogynist or a racist. A lech and a lazy drunk, possibly. But anyway, let’s agree on one thing: the fat lady is singing.

I think he is mainly a morally weak person, he tends to take the easiest path when it comes to those kinds of choices.

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:06

I haven’t seen that Dorries can’t grasp her brief. I’ve seen that people seem to think she’s a moron when she doesn’t make many more gaffes than other cabinet ministers, and frankly I think that’s because she’s northern, blonde and didn’t go to a top university - exactly what the left is always suggesting they want to see.

I don’t think she’s the best candidate. But anyway, Barclay is the newly anointed one.

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FortonServices · 05/07/2022 21:02

out of all the strikes rail has the weakest position

But a teacher strike would really hit mumsnetters hard.

Cuck00soup · 05/07/2022 21:02

cansu · 05/07/2022 20:54

Nadine Dorries has shown herself to be utterly incompetent in her current post. She cannot even grasp her brief. I don't think I have heard anyone sound so utterly ridiculous. The fact that people on here think she should be in charge of the health service is completely baffling.

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that

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