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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:05

Zone2NorthLondon · 05/07/2022 19:19

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria
the alleged pregnancy is not with the musician. no idea what happened to her
the alleged pregnancy is with another woman now reported to have departed the UK
The interrupted intimacy was prior to BJ and Carrie getting married

There are at least two alleged pregnancies.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:03

I disagree, Boris has more right to be there than anyone else, it was only because of him that the conservatives won a landslide election - sadly some of the MPs have a very short memory, and have deducted that they can win the next GE with a more compliant leader. I think they are wrong.

If Boris is forced out despite having won the election so convincingly, then the U.K. effectively becomes a post democratic state. Look it up, it doesn’t make pretty reading - we might even be there already.

Regardless of how you voted, we simply can not have a system that allows fractions of discontented MPs and plotters to abuse mechanisms to remove a democratic leader at will.

The people voted for him to lead the country - not Penny or Liz or any of the others. We did not choose to have our vote discounted by a few determined rebels desperate to water down Brexit - which make no mistake this is what it’s all about.

Boris hasn’t been perfect - what leader is - he has been dealt a very difficult hand with the pandemic and the war - but we are heading into a very worrying state when leaders of any political colour can just be removed at will by plotters. We should all be worried even those that despise Boris.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 07:55

Ha Provence that part is ok depends if they bump up spending even more too

He did get the mandate the media has been stuck on it for nearly a year - started by DC in a self styled campaign which worked

We lose our heads with all this stuff - Covid and this

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 07:33

@Provenceinthesummer

Apparently democracy is in danger because - wait for it - the PM is the elected leader of the biggest parliamentary party, and they implemented the result of a legal referendum.

I think Johnson’s position is untenable, but the people calling him a fascist because they don’t enjoy being in the minority sound hysterical.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 07:31

The news channels have been gunning for Boris for months on end on a daily basis.

Whole sections of parliament have been trying to force him out with one coordinated corrupt plan after another, the very same people suspiciously that voted remain, with a agenda that looks a lot like a coup.

This is just the latest in a long line of desperate attempts to depose him. Whatever you think of Johnson he had a thumping mandate to lead the country and this really isn't good for democracy.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 07:27

I was just coming on to say I am looking forward to the inevitable tax cuts marsha 😅

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 06:46

I’m concerned that Zahawi is more aligned to Johnson economically and will spend and borrow even more

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 06:37

I don’t think he’s any of these things

He probably doesn’t care that much although people say he likes to be liked so not always same

It feels like we’re landlocked in a news cycle stuck on him and people talk
about him or have him in their head a fair bit

He’s not that complex

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 01:37

Zone2NorthLondon · 06/07/2022 01:02

He is not a sociopath. He’s rich posh and entitled.
no need to pathologise everything, answer in plain sight. He’s posh,rich,entitled

I dunno. I think he’s worse than normal. A lot of them do behave in this sort of diabolical way, but they don’t seriously expect to offer a waffly non-apology and then for everyone just to move on and put it behind them while they carry on living their best lives (which include more of the same) They resign.

There's a spectrum of course, from normal to CF, into nasty piece of work, past callous bastard and eventually to sociopath. I reckon he’s way past callous bastard.

Mind you, if he IS a sociopath, would that be a disability? It affects only others, not the sociopath, who is advantaged by their ability to use others for personal gain but not be burdened by the ability to care about them.

if it is a disability, then it should be neither diagnosed nor discussed by the public via the media. But society is being harmed by his social violence, and should be protected. Disabled people who commit crimes are not exempt from the consequences, even if they are unable (rather than unwilling) to prevent themselves. Society must be protected from harm by individuals, even disabled ones. Which is relevant, and is in the public interest. I’ll have to think about that. I would hate to be unfair to him. It would make me more like him and ‘not like Boris Johnson’ is central to my view of being a good person.

Zone2NorthLondon · 06/07/2022 01:02

He is not a sociopath. He’s rich posh and entitled.
no need to pathologise everything, answer in plain sight. He’s posh,rich,entitled

wellhelloitsme · 06/07/2022 00:43

You can’t blackmail someone who doesn’t care what people think. He doesn’t think people are important, so their opinions have no merit.

He won’t. He’s basically untouchable because he doesn’t care.

I agree, this is a why I genuinely think he is a sociopath.

Sajid Javid just resigned
Sajid Javid just resigned
Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 00:32

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 22:05

Ultimately, there are three (legal) mechanisms for getting rid of a PM: vote of no confidence and they lose (BJ didn’t); election (party in govt get to call it); and shame (if PM has no shame, it has to be one of the other options).

Yep, stuck with lying cheating scum, aren’t we.

Tried 1, 2 is his call and he is comprehensively shameless. You have to have a baseline of other people mattering to attach value to their opinion. And he doesn’t. You don’t care what people think if you don’t really believe they are even people in the first place.

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 00:27

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 21:52

If he won't I think someone may apply some kind of personal pressure to force him to do so. Blackmail him, essentially.

As long as he has some in party support he could probably carry on, but if they are pretty united about him being a liability, I think they can probably manipulate him.

Like him being guilty of breaking the law at work during a time of great national distress? Tried that one

How about him having sex at work with someone he wasn’t married to? Nope, that’s out there too.

Lying to the queen - she’s popular just now - surely no one wants to see the old dear disrespected? Oh, no, the public know about that already.

Ooooh, I know abuse of his position - people hate that. If they found out he tried to get his mistress a £100k a year job she was in no way qualified to do…..surely he’d go to keep that quie……..oh, no, we’ve put that behind us.

You can’t blackmail someone who doesn’t care what people think. He doesn’t think people are important, so their opinions have no merit. There are no consequences for his actions. He has money, he has power. He has connections. He has never learnt that there are consequences for crappy actions. If he did a poor job, or broke the law, or shafted his wife, or got an unspecified number of women who weren’t his wife pregnant, he just….walked away. Got another job through the old boys network, paid the fines (with no noticeable effect on his available money), ignored the child. People don’t matter to him. Why would he GAF what we know? We can’t do anything about it. So why would he resign from a position he has coveted his whole life, and expected - feels he has not just deserves, but is a right, just because people he couldn’t give a shit about know he did stuff that he doesn’t think is wrong for him to do anyway? He won’t. He’s basically untouchable because he doesn’t care.

Blossomtoes · 06/07/2022 00:01

I liked it. 😂

Zone2NorthLondon · 05/07/2022 23:59

@Somethingneedstochange gawd that’s a really lame joke about boxes. Bit daft actually

Somethingneedstochange · 05/07/2022 23:50

Urgent help required.
Does anyone know where I can get hold of a load of cardboard boxes on really short notice? A bloke I know has to move house today, and doesn’t have much time to prepare.
If anyone can help, could you please drop any boxes round to Boris’ house? It’s 10 Downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA.

Somethingneedstochange · 05/07/2022 23:50

To be honest I would rather have Theresa May back than that Muppet. If you think about it though Australia and New Zealand had female primie minister's during the pandemic and they were on it like a car bonnet literally. They went into lockdown when the number of deaths were really low.

FortonServices · 05/07/2022 22:20

QuebecBagnet · 05/07/2022 21:48

At least Sunak’s wife can carry on not paying tax /being a non dom (or whatever it was) without kickback over him being chancellor now. 👀🙄

There needs to be an inquiry into dodgy dealings during Covid. Bounce back loans and dodgy contracts to his mates. Never going to happen but he should be held accountable.

Runningslow · 05/07/2022 22:19

I really don’t want Nadine Dorries moving position just now. She’s making huge steps in trying to keep womens sport for females, and there is no guarantee that any replacement would understand the issues so well.

And definitely no to the SNP suggestion!! ( from Scotland)

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 22:14

LordLoveADuck · 05/07/2022 22:12

@FireFlyBoogaloo If people were to sign up as Tories would they be able to vote in a leadership race if BJ quits?

I think you need to be a member for 3 months. So depends how long he holds on ...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/07/2022 22:14

Zahawi is Chancellor

Oh for god's sake Angry

From the collapse of Gulf Keystone to the expenses scandal he's hardly someone I'd want in charge of national finances, but I guess it's a case of choosing from the balance left over to do the work

LordLoveADuck · 05/07/2022 22:12

@FireFlyBoogaloo If people were to sign up as Tories would they be able to vote in a leadership race if BJ quits?

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 22:05

Ultimately, there are three (legal) mechanisms for getting rid of a PM: vote of no confidence and they lose (BJ didn’t); election (party in govt get to call it); and shame (if PM has no shame, it has to be one of the other options).

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PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 22:04

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24916/steve_barclay/north_east_cambridgeshire

Not sure what we can glean from Barclay's record.

He declared two tix for Wimbledon's Women's Final last year. So a supporter of women's sport, maybe? <clings to hope>

'Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Two tickets, including hospitality, for Wimbledon Women's Singles Final 2021, total value £1,545.60'

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:58

@LoobiJee

She is. She’s been promoted and this is good news for our kids.

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