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Sajid Javid just resigned

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achillestoes · 05/07/2022 18:11

That’s all.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 09:03

@AmaryIlis

Quince is a very decent man, but we need someone with more backbone. Kids are struggling.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 09:03

Chalk defended putting males in women’s prisons. I’m not crying.

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AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 09:01

The loss of Quince is also a blow for children. He was at least showing more interest in listening to parents and carers of children with SEND than his predecessors.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:59

I agree gerry as a swing voter this is neither the time or place for a coup taking place right here in the United Kingdom- we are playing directly into Russia abs China’s hands.

It is totally irresponsible. A weak or non existent government will fail Ukraine, will fail to get us through the cost of living crisis. It’s utterly u forgivable of the likes of Roger Gale, Bridgen etc

Tell me again how Cummings pays his bills with no job or income stream? Perhaps he sells Avon in the evenings.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 08:58

And Alex Chalk? He always seemed like one of the good ones, fairly well respected around 'Nam, visible, approachable etc.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:57

The Tory party are entitled to bring him down if they can. I concede he’s a divisive and very flawed leader and it’s not out of bounds to call him a sexually incontinent, bloviating fibber.

But it’s better than someone who doesn’t have the courage and the honesty (the irony!) to say men can’t become women, and we shouldn’t be giving children cross-sex hormones and removing parts of their healthy bodies.

It turns out I’m a lot more tolerant of his bloviating and philandering than I thought I was.

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GerryAtrick · 06/07/2022 08:47

Porcupineintherough · 05/07/2022 19:01

Wake up! This is the fucking fire.

The last thing this country needs right now is a labour government. A major cause of the rise in the cost of living is the war in Ukraine. If Russia is not firmly put back in its box, things with become much worse over the coming years. I cannot see Kier Starmer standing shoulder to shoulder with Zelensky and NATO.

Another major reason for the high prices is that the trillion pounds wasted on covid needs to be paid back. Granted, that is not down to Starmer but remember this. Starmer made it perfectly clear that he would have locked down harder, faster and longer. We would probably still be locked down if it was down to him.

Under Starmer, we would have five years of navel gazing and wasting time finally deciding what a woman is.

Labour governments always implode when they run out of other peoples money to spend. This time, they would be starting out with no-one having any money.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 06/07/2022 08:45

Were you saying similar when the Tories got rid of Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May and attempted to get rid of John Major? They have form for being utterly ruthless when a leader ceases to be popular with the electorate. In this case, for the sake of the country I'd like to see Johnson out asap, although it's a mystery who could replace him. Next election is surely Labour's to lose, although they're doing their damnedest to lose it. Hmm

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:40

Hopefully we can see the back of Mike Freer as well.

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Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:36

This is a well funded, carefully thought out operation - with the media coordinated in unison, as they have relentlessly and mercilessly attacked Boris every day for months on end trying to brainwash the nation, to wear them down to bring about a ‘ legitimate’ coup.

We should all be very worried. This is not about a birthday cake, a pincher in the midst that has been around for decades or anything else - this about a plotters co ordinated plan to bring the PM down - to be replaced by a compliant leader with a very different agenda.

They have simply regrouped. When you add in the bitterness of Cummings and his dangerous plan to overhaul centuries of government then you begin to see something very sinister emerging from the shadows.

Johnson whether you like or loathe him is there on a landslide vote, if he is ‘removed’ by plotters and those with an agenda, the U.K. seizes to be a democracy - that will mean that any leader of any party can be removed at will by those that decide on the inside with whatever agenda they have, and our country will no longer be led by the people.

We have to get a grip, and fast. This is so much bigger than one man and one party.

Signalbox · 06/07/2022 08:36

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:34

Which means (fingers crossed) there’s an opening for Miriam Cates.

Oh that would be interesting.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:34

Which means (fingers crossed) there’s an opening for Miriam Cates.

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achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:31

Will Quince just resigned.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 08:29

Listening to Zahawi

ok so far - on first day 😅

He’s got a better story for the public re background not that it is something that matters to me

fiscal responsibility and bear down on inflation - hope so

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:27

Apparently Johnson wanted to appoint Truss as Chancellor but Zahawi said if he was left stuck at Education he'd resign. So much for principled, considered appointments of the best people for the relevant jobs. And he's just shown Zahawi and others how weak he is in reality.

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:26

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 08:15

It's very clear that he's not trying to bring about gridlock.

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Compared to the old days where London would be in chaos it was very mild

It takes some leverage out

On the other hand, it was very clear that large swathes of the electorate fully supported the strikes. Which put a whole lot of leverage back in.

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:25

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:06

Yes marsha Cummings is all over it, and has been for months and months. I always considered Cummings to be a leftie anyway. No one is ever neutral - not when they have spent their lives in politics! I never trusted him or bought into his insidious entry into the very top of government. I have always wondered who he really works for…..

And yet Johnson appointed him and backed him to the hilt over Barnard Castle. Tells you everything you need to know about his judgment, really.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:21

@AmaryIlis

She has experience in education, though. Change happens. She’s a good choice.

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AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:20

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 21:58

@LoobiJee

She is. She’s been promoted and this is good news for our kids.

It isn't really. Change at this point in the Education Department isn't good news for anyone. We have the Schools Bill going through, consultations on attendance and the SEND Green Paper, and children coming through the system with major problems after two years of seriously disrupted education. But of course Johnson puts his personal survival above the welfare of children every time.

MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 08:15

It's very clear that he's not trying to bring about gridlock.

traffic went down

Compared to the old days where London would be in chaos it was very mild

It takes some leverage out

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 08:14

I’m starting to think what certain people on the left say they want isn’t what they want.

We want more young people in politics! (Michelle Donelan is only 38 - I have milk older than her.)

We want more working class people/state school educated people in politics!
(Not Michelle Donelan.)

We want people to have had normal jobs before entering politics!
(Not marketing. Marketing is shit.)

We want more women in politics!
(Not that woman.)

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MarshaBradyo · 06/07/2022 08:13

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:06

Yes marsha Cummings is all over it, and has been for months and months. I always considered Cummings to be a leftie anyway. No one is ever neutral - not when they have spent their lives in politics! I never trusted him or bought into his insidious entry into the very top of government. I have always wondered who he really works for…..

I always remember his line that he’d like to bring down the system and here we are

He knows how to push emotional levers and repeat

Makes me feel a bit ill as it works

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:10

MarshaBradyo · 05/07/2022 19:35

He might be likeable but even he can’t bring about grid lock by striking.

everyone just logs in to zoom instead now 😀 (usual disclaimer re those who can’t)

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It's very clear that he's not trying to bring about gridlock. Striking is still a powerful tool - not least in this case because it has really exposed the faultines in the government's thinking about public sector wages, terms and conditions.

AmaryIlis · 06/07/2022 08:08

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 19:28

That was just a protest vote - when it comes to an election it will be blue again.

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Did you notice the local election results? That was a bit more than a protest vote.

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 08:06

Yes marsha Cummings is all over it, and has been for months and months. I always considered Cummings to be a leftie anyway. No one is ever neutral - not when they have spent their lives in politics! I never trusted him or bought into his insidious entry into the very top of government. I have always wondered who he really works for…..