Sajid Javid just resigned

He hasn’t got anything to lose Marsha

A law fining anyone for a bloody birthday cake is not worth the paper it’s written on!!

It’s normal for people to care about their own interests, he is not mother Theresa or the pope! 🤷🏼‍♀️

He wasn't fined "for a birthday cake", he was fined for breaking a law. A law that he put in place.

I‘m not sure he’d win. So many whipped up over partygate

Boris looks after Boris. Nothing will change unless our MPs grow a pair and get rid of him
But he has surrounded himself with second rate people who will struggle to get employment elsewhere so they are sticking to him like glue. They couldn't care less about our country, what is right or the taxpayers who will suffer for this selfishness

eek he was fined for a birthday cake - so indeed you could question the sheer stupidity of finning anyone anywhere for a fucking birthday cake!!
You are hardly going to resign for this reason are you?!

This is a huge set up - blown up to depose Boris and try and install a remain PM - it’s as clear as day.

Boris should call an election and get rid of the backstabbers on the back benches once and for all and we can get back to running the country.

I doubt he’ll go unless pushed by change in rules for Committee - regardless of resignations

but we’ll see

@Provenceinthesummer

That would be true, IF Boris had done nothing wrong. But he has. This isn’t about policy, and people abusing the process for political gain. This is about having a someone who abuses the process as a matter of course for supposed political (but largely personal) gain, and is untouchable regardless. What other profession could you break major laws at work to achieve your aims, be found guilty and stay in your job? He porouged parliament and lied to the Queen. His actual job is to lawfully run government and report the queen. How is that not incompetence, gross misconduct and a sackable offence? This isn’t even about policy.

The Tory’s put him in because he’s the only idiot that wanted to job enough to accept it when Brexit was political suicide. Now, we all know he’s an idiot and only in the job for personal gain, unless he chooses to give it up, he can’t be removed. Fortunately, he’s and incredible shallow person who doesn’t much care about the country and is happy shagging anything passing and lining his pockets. But if he decides to do something really politically stupid (Russia springs to mind) for the glory of it. We’re all dead. And there’s nothing anyone can do about. Nothing. It’s a dangerous system that relies on personal integrity, sensitivity to public opinion and the power of the media to give people the information to form that opinion.

At this point it may be becoming irrelevant who believed what in the cabinet and it has become a game of how many ministers can resign without the prime minister accepting his gravy train has run out of Bisto.

Robin walker minister for state for school standards has resigned.

What's going on is not a coup or anti democracy. That's not how our constitution works. The prime minister is the first of the ministers but he was not directly elected, only by his own constituents. It's up to our representatives to choose a leader. If people in Johnson's constituency had voted for the other bloke we would have a different pm but the Conservative party would still have a majority and form a government.

Of course in practice parties get elected by having a popular leader, and it seems to be agreed that this was a big factor in 2019. And they have stuck with bj because they think he has a personal mandate (sunak even referenced it in the letter) but that is not formal in any way. If a grouping of mps in Parliament (whether one party or more) can converge enough to be able to get legislation through then they are the government.

Talk of coups is hyperbole.

I’m not sure I lament Quince going as someone I didn’t hear a noise from during highly damaging school closures

But I don’t know much about him otherwise

@AmaryIlis Can you read?

I clearly said that the covid debt was not down to Starmer. It's right there in the highlighted section you copied from my post.

Sorry sent too soon on phone - **and that worries me the most

and that makes what worried me most marsha the news was weaponised long ago and now is nakedly resorting to calling for coups,

And why do they hate Johnson so much? Two guesses and neither is to do with a birthday cake or Carrie playing ABBA.

They are indeed. But what sort of backbone do you suggest is needed? And who is going to provide it? What we essentially need is a minister who acknowledges that the only thing wrong with the current SEN legislation is that it is inadequately funded and there is no adequate accountability, and I haven't seen anyone in the Conservative party prepared to accept that.

Another major reason for the high prices is that the trillion pounds wasted on covid needs to be paid back. Granted, that is not down to Starmer but remember this. Starmer made it perfectly clear that he would have locked down harder, faster and longer. We would probably still be locked down if it was down to him.

Blaming Starmer for the country's covid debts is really taking this to ludicrous lengths. Remember all the billions wasted on duff PPE, and the furlough frauds which the Conservatives can't be bothered to pursue?

It's pretty universally agreed we should have locked down sooner and harder. That way we could have avoided thousands of deaths, not least those absolutely avoidable care home deaths. The suggestion that we would still be locked down if Starmer was in charge is, with every respect, blatant nonsense.

Labour governments always implode when they run out of other peoples money to spend. This time, they would be starting out with no-one having any money.

I agree with all points and yes to this, the thought of Labour on top of Covid and war is too much. And yes to wanting longer lockdowns

We have to get a grip, and fast agree with post generally but one thing Covid has shown is we cannot get a grip in the face of a media onslaught. People lose it. It’s cyclical and additive