Owen Jones and the Patriarchy

Ireland

Thanks entirely to grassroots struggle in the face of a reluctant political elite, Ireland has loosened its abortion laws, introduced equal marriage and made it easier for trans people to transition

In 1995 the government of the day were told they could not use public funds to promote a yes vote for a consitutional change on divorce. This was deemed unconstitutional as the reluctant political elite were using citizens money to fund the passing of the reluctant political elite views (a yes vote) above the grass root struggle.

Then you are so ignorant to realise that the reluctant political elite included the openly gay male politician in the Dáil since 2007. Who voted as a citizen and as an elected representative on all the social change. He was elected leader of Fine Gael (Right wing /Center /liberal-conservative and Christian-democratic political party) in 2017, who was congratulated by President Trump

www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/jun/28/trump-on-the-phone-to-irish-pm-tells-reporter-she-has-a-nice-smile-on-her-face-video

What woman can not help but recognise and cringe at the everyday casual sexism?

(There are other older established elected politicians, male and and openly homosexual )

Same sex marriage 2015 was by consitutional amendment allowing the grassroots struggle and the reluctant political elite a direct vote.

Prior to that the civil partnerships act 2010 recognised same sex marraige in all but name.
It also introduced Cohabitants which gives unmarried/non-civil partnerships a lot of economic protections and State recognition for the couples who live together. It pools assets, and provides for post separation maintance. That was passed by the reluctant political elite.

The GRA 2015 was not put to the grass root struggle it was passed by the reluctant political elite. It was based around an infertile male. It pretends humans are barbie or ken. It removes a GRC holder from sex specific healthcare etc. Anybody can apply, no checks required, there was not even a provision to prevent someone on the sex offenders register from getting a new birth cert and passport.

Anybody want to argue that the general Irish public know and approve of any male being locked up in the Women's prison?

Anybody argue over the right to be legally recognised as male was granted before the consitutional amendment for "full" abortion rights in 2018 or all men and boys are excluded from that right.

Plenty of males have taken over "feminism" in Ireland. The "Womens Council" are all TWAW and ignore the conflicts.
The so called women in science condeming a book about how male is the design default because they have accepted males into the group.

Islamaphobia will be a "fun" debate in Ireland seeing how Lisa Smith was white as uncooked Mr Tayto and claimed join IS as a "housewife".
But a reluctant political elite (Muslim uni lecturer)/ public commentator got booted off RTE after making pro-FGM statements around the same time as the first FGM case ended with mother and father convicted, so some attitude adjustment will be needed for some new-commers.

Find another flag to wave, mate, this one it not going to work out so well.

Gay men might suffer under patriarchal system, but they benefit from it too. So for them it is a balancing act. And that can be seen in how they have embrace tra and put it in the centre of gay rights.

Gay men know it's women who get pregnant and need abortions, because of the way the use the facts when it benefits them - to threaten women that their fertility rights might be taken away and when they 'commission' womens bodies when they want children. When it suits them they know exactly why women are different to men, and who has the political power, and know they, as men, have more political influence.

Gay men, then, supposedly still oppressed under the patriarchy, claim that biology doesn't make a women and force men, with male biology into male defined 'women gender'. Jones himself has bullied, mocked and criticised women for speaking about the very thing he writes about when it's to his advantage.

I'm not going to be sad for, or support men because they're a step down from the top of the patriarchy tree, no matter how much emotional pressure and forced teaming they write about.

Really hope you have written in Maude and others. You have said it much better than I did. How dare he blame us !

Owen Jones refers to something called "trans rights" but fails to or avoids defining what these are.

All people in the UK have the same rights and one is at a loss to know what rights so-called "trans" people are lacking.
It seems to me that what is being demanded is the "right" to violate our society and the boundaries of its organisational structures.

The whole so-called "transgender" agenda is solely about violating people's boundaries. If done against the consent of people this violation seems to be even more pleasurable by those who are the violators.

The idea of "gender identity" was created as the tool to be used to violate the boundaries of our natural sex classes.

As soon as "gender identity" penetrates the law of a nation, the violation of the boundaries of the sex classes is complete.
The sex boundaries cease to exist because social structures all become mixed sex. This is usually achieved against the consent of the people and with a total disregard for the social and demographic impact that follows from such a violation.

Associated with the violation of the sex class boundaries is the violation of the boundaries of spaces and services allocated to each of the two sexes when segregation is necessary to uphold the privacy, human dignity, safety and fairness for the sex classes. This additional violation is particularly negative for the sex class that is female because of the political, social, economic and physiological power imbalance that exists between males and females, wherein males dominate.

We have members of the male sex class who pretend they are not male [men], who pretend they are female [women], even going so far as to deceive authorities and the rest of society by being able to corrupt legal documents like passports, driving licences and, in certain circumstances, birth certificates, all wrapped in a shroud of total secrecy.

This is a massive corruption of truth and fact. Numbers are irrelevant. Just one person engaging in such behaviour demonstrates this deceit and corruption imposed on the rest of us.

The law in the UK that is the Gender Recognition Act must be repealed.

It is a corrupt and deceitful law that is highly damaging because of the societal violations that arise from it. The privacy and dignity of a number of men who pretend they are not men or even fewer women who pretend they are not women should never have been permitted to violate the privacy and dignity of the rest of society.

Legislators have to find another way to deal with this, if it needs to be dealt with at all.

What's delicious about all of this is that LOJ is providing so many receipts.

When he finally realises he's on the wrong side, and tries to gaslight everyone (as he did when he kept flipping his allegiance to and from Corbyn) - all these little articles/rants will prove he was a coward with no journalistic integrity.

Word salad tossed in privilege wank fodder.

Ick.....

I wonder what LOJ thinks about Macy Gray. As far as I know she is female, Black, a lesbian, grew up with some trauma, working class and a bloody legend.

Do wokey brocialists pause for a second when she speaks? Do they listen? Or are the death threats aimed at her on Twitter not the patriarchy at work?

He's an odious little toad.

Fuck off Owen.

So true. The only people who should be allowed to express their opinions are men with muscles.

I read an article a few years ago on this subject. I wish I could find it now. My TLDR is that homophobia stems from patriarchy and you can't fight homophobia without fighting misogyny. The hatred of women goes hand in hand with the hatred of men who behave like women (by having sex with men, by being feminine etc)

They also explained this is why homophobic people always seem to want to know 'who the man is' in any gay or lesbian relationship and how in gay relationships the partner who is less well known, earns less or is of a perceived lower status is always referred to as the wife. Elton John and David Furnish for instance.

I found it really interesting and would love to read it again and other actual research or theory on this topic.

It's a very weird thing among many progressives that you are NOT allowed to mention this link between more conservative views and immigration of certain people.

And it's not like they give reasons that it's not a valid analysis. They just won't admit that it is even something that might be true and if you mention it you must be xenophobic.

It's the same people who don't want to talk about the fact that accepting immigrants from different cultures requires a certain amount of community resilience, cohesion, energy, infrastructure, if it is going to go well. Which to me also seems self-evident.

'Now listen ladies, you are only allowed to believe what I tell you to believe and if you stray from that at all, then it's your fault if you get shat upon from a great height.'

Cheers Owen.

Oh wait sorry that was meant to be, fuck off Owen.

I don't know that it's worth even looking for parallels/connections, GCRich. Were there more info, like a link to a source, with the actual questions asked, the demographics, sample size, etc, then maybe.

But the way this is presented it may as well have been the bloke ringing round his pals and making the whole thing up for shits and giggles.

At the risk of being controversial is it not aboslutely blooming obvious that we live in a country that is a mixture of more progressive people and more conservative people? That conservative people are often religious and what they are conserving is the conservative teaching from their old religious text?

Whenever you have religious immigrants (such as christians and muslims) then by definition you are making the country more conservative and therefore by definition more likely to be against equality for women (a sex class not a gender class)?

It seems to me obvious that there would be a link between people who understand that women's rights are under threat from men who claim TW are literally women, and those who understand that women's rights are under threat from conservative men. Surely it is obvious that reasonably intelligent people who understand what a woman is are able to see threats to women from whichever direction they are coming from?

He's coming across as a self-congratulatory sophist who types with one hand.

Live4weekend, agreed. I hope help & support is available and accessed.

He’s such an insufferable, smug, sanctimonious liberal-left poser that I can’t bear the sight of him.

You’re part of the patriarchy, Owen, you gibbering idiot.

Yes, I guess the kind of situation which makes people likely to develop conspiracy theories.

I imagine most people have experienced believing things that didn't seem to fit together, and having to simply live with that, at least on a temporary basis, with the idea that it is somehow resolvable. I think that is an ok strategy at times.

But people like Owen Jones seem mainly to be desperate to prop up political labels, and labels they have an extremely shallow viewpoint on. Kathleen Stock had an interesting essay this week where she talked about people who seem really to believe that right and left politics corresponds to evil and good, and the further you move to the right, the more evil you are. OJ seems to be of that ilk.

Ah, Owen.

This forced teaming is infuriating. Gay men stand to benefit from reproductive control of women through both adoption and surrogacy.
The Christian right and the LGBTQ+ movement are 2 sides of the same coin and neither are friends of women.

Hmmmmm... Women and trans people should unite on the left then?

I always thought that trying to remove women's safe spaces and right to speech was quite a right wing thing to do... And thats exactly what many trans people want!!

She needs sectioning-dangerously barking.

I am surprised she is not getting pressure from her community to cool it on Twitter.

I am actually a bit concerned about her. The posting is not normal at all.

I hope she has friends looking out for her - I may disagree with her hatred of women and lack of care for womans rights, and her racist / homophobic attitudes but she needs help and support.

They'll be resurrecting the miners next.