blowing the gaffe entirely

In the US context, I think it would take a young black or mixed-race woman. Everyone else the TRAs will dismiss instantly as a dried-up white bigot racist Karen. I nominate Rihanna.

You're right, of course. And I wasn't meaning a dig at Macy Gray - just extra appreciation for those still standing up to the onslaught.

I hope MG's got support.

Shows, once again, the fucking guts and integrity of Joanne Rowling, Rosie Duffield, Martina and others, who faced it down and didn't blink.

I don’t know for sure about Rosie Duffield but Martina and JKR both did blink the first time!

And we know they are tough, principled women, not easily bullied. I can’t imagine what it must be like when you first face it to have made them both back down.

Even if they do, it will make a point. The sheer level of vitriol for stating a basic truth will make a few beeekiiind types sit up.

Although even if they do, the TRAs will never forgive them. Might as well double down.

Shows, once again, the fucking guts and integrity of Joanne Rowling, Rosie Duffield, Martina and others, who faced it down and didn't blink.

Sad that MG is backtracking. I would love to hear Chrissie Hynde say something on the matter.

Yep, MG is backtracking. Thought it would be Bette first to be honest!

Think Macy Gray is backtracking

I love Taylor swift but as people have already said, she's defo already nailed her colours to the trans mast so won't double back now. I've gotten the impression she has major guilt for not speaking out against homophobia when she was purely a country music star trying to court Christians & republicans so now has went the total opposite way but including the 'T'.

Emma Watson is a lost cause and I personally wouldn't want her anyway. The 'I'm for all the witches, apart from one' comment just totally exposed her as quite happy to throw women under the bus for men. Who needs her.

Agree.

Recent seasons of drag race have included a transman, a straight man and a woman (all performing as drag queens) so I think after Ru started accepting transwomen the floodgates were pretty open. I don't think there was much of a backlash with the 'bio-queen' (the female contestant) but interestingly they don't call transwomen bio queens. Almost like they know 😂 there was a backlash on twitter for including the straight guy though. The usual mob said he was taking the spot of a more deserving candidate that the show actually caters for (the irony must be lost on them).

WolverineBluey
Yes beamur RuPaul got the treatment years ago for saying Drag Race was only for male contestants. I think some contestants chose to pause their transitions to go on the show in the early seasons.

The show had to move with the times and expand the bandwidth in the end but there's plenty that still call him a transphobe.

(sorry about going off topic)
I'd like to see how drag queens who call themselves men would get on if they tried to join the Miss International Queen Pageant- I'd give them better odds than women. Not that I think there are many women who would want to enter, or would complain about an exclusively trans identified male event.

Also, agree with above posters that it would be fabulous if Taylor Swift got onboard, she seems so intelligent and gutsy, such a shame she also seems to prefer kindness at women's expense to doing everything we can to protect our daughters.

Even if the penny drops for Emma Watson, she doesn't seem like one who would speak up about it (she's no Hermione Granger, even if she appears to think she is).

RuPaul also once said something along the lines of "we're born naked, everything else is drag". ie it's all culture, stereotypes, etc. Not innate. I agree.

Dolly Parton

My point is the phrase "you should accept your child as they are" has more recently been "fill them full of cross sex hormones and lie to them."

If we truly accept them as they are, they remain a boy who can wear the dress.

And it's not OTT sexual, that's the other issue with all this - it's a really smart, clever, bold outfit.

Is the boy gay not trans? Wearing clothes outside the gender stereotypes should be applauded but if it about transition and clothes then that is just pandering to sexist stereotypes.

Doesn't mention his sexuality, appropriately. Calls him a he. As it should be to make the point that you can wear what you want. But it doesn't change your sex.

I enjoyed the Ru Paul drama.
He was like: "drag is about men dressing up as women, and, of course, transwomen are women.... so it's like cheating, with all your titty skittles etc"

They were like: "OH MY GOD YOU TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT, HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE WANT TO 100% OF THE TIME"

So hopefully this will open up the "art form" for more actual women to be involved. Which has also started to happen and is already causing histrionics.

Bless em all

Is the boy gay not trans? Wearing clothes outside the gender stereotypes should be applauded but if it about transition and clothes then that is just pandering to sexist stereotypes.

It would take someone already financially set like Beyoncé. Why would they though? So much of the revenue for these entertainers come from the rainbow dollar. Who would shoot themselves in the foot like that when you can just stay silent.

I think Macy Gray's twitter followers have doubled over night.

Someone should point out to RuPaul that the way things are going, after he’s died TRAs will decide he was always trans, like Marsha P Johnson. See if that shakes his tree a bit.

I think any big American female celeb who tweets about women without the ads ons (eg all women etc) is tipping their hat.

Macy was v v gracious and polite. She gently and assertively pointed out that she has no idea what it is to be a trans woman. She grew up a girl. And that goes both ways. Surgery changes nothing.

Bette is important as she's clearly very on the left, lots of anti gun law campaigning especially after the awful events of yesterday. Hopefully it will start to break down that binary left right bs.

Yes beamur RuPaul got the treatment years ago for saying Drag Race was only for male contestants. I think some contestants chose to pause their transitions to go on the show in the early seasons.

The show had to move with the times and expand the bandwidth in the end but there's plenty that still call him a transphobe.

Lady Gaga. I think she must get it.

Billie E would be seismic- her far to early age experiences with porn must have opened her eyes.

Harry Styles is re working what all the Bowie types did years ago. Just getting on with it.

This is quite important, except the tag "accept them as they are" gets ram railed into "pump them full of puberty blockers." Harleston schoolboy gets 7m views on Twitter for prom dress www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-62041127

I don’t think Emma Watson would have any impact at all. The only reason she remains prominent in the eyes of young people is precisely because she vocally opposes JKR. Without that, she would just be dismissed, piled on, then thrown on the scrap heap. Madonna will “come out” eventually and be dismissed as old. Same with Emma Thompson. Cher has a trans child so if there was a reversal there it would be pretty remarkable.

Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Beyoncé. Almost 200m followers between them.

Billie Eilish would be seismic. Although chances are about zero, I'd say.