Bette Midler

Yes, this is much closer to what happens.

First women are erased, then women who complain are gently educated in how important their erasure is for a group which is like a gnat compared to the size of the female population (elephant-sized except far bigger), and then those who still complain are called bigots.

So it is a very clear statement that women's rights do not matter and that women should step aside and applaud others.

That many mainstream feminists do this is the devastating aspect here.

I have written this before, but it's as if the trans activists ask for a chair at the table where societal decisions are made, and when most others tell them to pull up a chair, they explain that they don't want an empty chair, they want the chair on which women's rights activists sit.

And so the latter are pushed to the floor and asked to leave the room and if they protest they are seen as denying the trans activists a chair at the table.

I see arguments from both sides and many are from those who always tweet from the same angle. It's not the same as what happened to JK Rowling when she came out of the uterus-haver closet.

Baby steps, perhaps, and so on, but there is a change in the climate.

@Dinosaurhearmeroar

They are not ‘asking’, they are demanding. What happens is this: most people use language exactly they way they always have. Some people bring in a linguistic innovation (like cervix-owners). The people who complain about this are disgusting ‘terfs’ and become unmentionable. The people who continue to go along with it are ‘allies’, and some of the people who don’t say anything are assumed to agree with it. Then an ‘ally’ steps marginally out of line. They say something that demonstrates that they still think in the old way. Maybe they say a film is really good and mention the name of a female actress who subsequently transitioned. Maybe they say they think there should be women-only rape crisis centres. Whatever. They are eviscerated, displaying to everyone else what happens if you depart from the new orthodoxy. They apologise, and next time, when the language is more dehumanising, and they might feel they don’t like it (womb carriers?) they don’t say anything. Apostates, not heathens. Inner Party, Outer Party and proles.

So hold on, they’re not erasing women, just asking women to use language which erases themselves. Yeah it’s gaslighting and stereotypical abuse moves. Get the victim to abuse themselves. Then they can say’well women chose to use that language, we didn’t make them’.

I feel like I’m being slightly gaslit - I am vehemently gender critical and hate the language changes but some of the points seem valid?! (Apart from
be kind - I will never be kind 😂!)

I'd say I feel like I'm being slightly gaslit too, but is it still gaslighting when the gaslighter is failing abjectly in the attempt?

Disappointed and confused by the Twitter response to this - it’s overwhelmingly anti Bette. Everyone saying “oh Bette, be kind - no one is is erasing women, simply asking women to use that language.” I feel like I’m being slightly gaslit - I am vehemently gender critical and hate the language changes but some of the points seem valid?! (Apart from
be kind - I will never be kind 😂!)

Comedy seems overrun with the very posh. The very posh often rise further than their raw processing power might indicate they should.

He partner made a disastrous attempt to get into politics from a comedy career. So I doubt she'd be tempted.

‘Also I think it's odd that she framed not using the word women in official literature as 'a small nod' to a minority. But stated quite clearly she had no intention of using inclusive language in her private life.’

Because she knows it’s not true. Otherwise she would say it all the time, wouldn’t she?

You wouldn’t get away with saying, ‘I only use racial slurs at home.’ Language is either acceptable or it isn’t acceptable. If it’s an issue to say “women” and mean “adult human females” then it’s an issue everywhere.

Was just thinking the very same

It was funny, probably went over her head though.

Also I think it's odd that she framed not using the word women in official literature as 'a small nod' to a minority. But stated quite clearly she had no intention of using inclusive language in her private life.

Bette Midler! Awesome :)

The "inclusive" thing is interesting. Because if you used the same logic for everything, the result would be completely bonkers.

There’s a great comedy sketch just waiting to be made there!

Isn't Shappi a massive labour supporter? Perhaps she fancies a future career in politics and has weighed up that's it's better to repeat the party mantra.

Diverging here but what is with these women in comedy? So happy to spin feminism for a laugh, so febrile at actually having a go at this in your face real, blatant mysogyny?

I keep thinking so. The whole thing seems to involve more and more really hysterical invective so I think it can't get any more intense, but so far there is no clear sign it will abate.

I wonder what piers has to say on being called a CIS tv personality @FireFlyBoogaloo Maddening!

Jezebel has an article up saying that Bette midler is “transphobic” and has literally just quoted her tweet. So a woman saying “women unite , they are erasing our name” is a transphobe , apparently. Everything women say and so is bigoted.

If I delete Macy's music and rebuy it from Apple, will she get paid again?

Crikey those men on Twitter are in full on denial aren't they!

'We're not erasing women'. You menstruating vagina havers, you.

The Glinner Update features the response to Bette and Macy: grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/bette-midler-and-macy-gray-join-team

Good god.

If the LGBTQ+ movement followed this idea on inclusive language they wouldn’t be able to describe a group at all -

Penis havers who have sex with penis havers, vagina havers who have sex with vagina havers, people who don’t like what was put on their birth certificate, anyone who finds romantic narratives unsatisfying and anyone else who doesn’t like the mainstream or feels a bit picked on.

iw blocked me last night about 10 minutes after I commented a supportive comment and like to Macy. iw must be fulltime 24/7 on twitter patrol. No wonder iw has no time for a real career.

India is never ok

Is India feeling okay?

No India isn't ok. Just had a look and there's been nothing but abuse of Macy for most of the day on IW's twitter.

This was the last one: