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Important piece in the Telegraph - schools cutting out parents

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Birdsweepsin · 02/07/2022 17:17

Telegraph don't do share tokens I'm afraid but this should give you an idea of the stories

Anne’s experience echoes that of other parents who have agreed to speak to The Telegraph about their experiences as their children are swept into a gender “cult”.

Many of the teenagers are autistic or suffering from mental health issues and the parents believe that they are using the label to make sense of the world, a box in which to contain the confusing experiences of puberty.

Those who have been bullied or struggled to make friends are suddenly celebrated for their decision to come out as trans, often encouraged by their teachers.

Whilst most see little harm in their son wearing a dress or their daughter having short hair, their fear is the race toward medicalisation. Powerful puberty blockers could lead to lifelong harm or irreversible surgery.

The parents, whose stories are rarely heard in this increasingly toxic debate, have been labelled bigots and “monsters”, cut out by teachers and medical professionals and told they cannot question the decision.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/02/telling-lies-parents-anger-schools-pushing-trans-ideology-children/

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Hercisback · 02/07/2022 22:15

Primary students should be taught RSE. They need to know what healthy relationships look like, and what sex is. This supports work around safeguarding and students being aware of sexual abuse they may be a victim of.

Trying to get rid of all RSE in primary school isn't the way forward.

Instead the RSE primary students receive should be balanced and based on biological fact, not woo gender definitions.

Musomama1 · 02/07/2022 22:00

There's so much of this in the news, read a DM article about this too today. I can't believe teachers are teaching some of these things. There definitely needs to be firm guidance on RSE coming from trusted sources rather than activist sources. And age appropriateness. Parents need to know what is being taught and have the opportunity to remove kids from the class.

Why do primary kids need RSE? Definitely will be asking my future school about their policy, they are a strict church school though so hopefully sex isn't considered until after marriage lol! For some reason we didn't even have sex education classes at my school and all turned out ok.

Abitofalark · 02/07/2022 21:52

Thank you, Birdsweepsin, for posting some useful
extracts as many of us don't have access to the Telegraph.

I happened to be reading an article in Unherd today by a mother of a teenager who at one stage declared she wanted to be a boy. It's an interesting (and really distressing) insight into the fears and sense of powerlessness of a mother, who did try to get help through the doctor, NHS mental health and even private practitioners, with no success, but who also didn't seem to be aware of any alternative sources of advice or support to counteract the school policy of changing name etc. - I mean websites such as Sex Matters or Safeguarding or even mumsnet.

As usual with UnHerd, the discussion in the comments is worth reading too.
unherd.com/2022/06/why-did-my-daughter-become-trans/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=43700ed00f&mc_eid=31e133b3a4

Fenlandia · 02/07/2022 21:31

This is an actual fucking quote from the article:
"“Somebody may want to be called a banana one day and if that is going to make them have a safer Tuesday, then we will do it. If on Wednesday they want to be a table, then it is our job to make them feel safe and included at that moment,” the teacher said."

Absolute madness by supposedly responsible adults. I wouldn't let these people look after my hamster

rogdmum · 02/07/2022 20:12

Ignoring the risks of the child ending up on a medical path, there can be a massive undermining of the child’s relationship with their parents and many schools don’t appear to care about this in the slightest. If staff are giving the child the message that of course they support the child’s social transition, that staff believe the child when they say this is their “true self” and staff will ensure they have a safe supportive environment at school to be affirmed in their gender identity, staff are giving the child the message that their parents are not supportive, that maybe the child isn’t “safe to be themselves” at home.

This can greatly destabilise a child’s sense of security within the family unit, no matter how hard the parents try to support them as a person without supporting the identity. You can then end up with a child with whole raft of mental health issues on the back of the tug of war between parents and school (self harm, depression, anxiety etc) which the school turns back onto the parents by claiming these are caused by the parents not affirming!

it’s a desperate cycle for parents to be in.

Birdsweepsin · 02/07/2022 19:46

I'm not shocked. Well I am. But it's the teachers taking-leave-of-their-senses bit... leading to these awful, awful cases where kids are parents are estranged, or the kids end up chemically or surgically altered.

Wake up world! This is NOT OK!

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rogdmum · 02/07/2022 19:03

I remember when we used to get posters on here who would insist that this just doesn’t happen in schools. They’ve been very quiet recently. 🤔

BoredofthisCrap7 · 02/07/2022 18:59

The above link did not work for me without subscribing but here it is from an MSN link:

www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/other/they-re-telling-them-lies-parents-anger-at-schools-for-pushing-trans-ideology-on-children/ar-AAZ7ceF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c933409b0a04a2b89973c782a099512

Horrific.
How do they justify this? I'm sure there's some kind of pathetic arguments.

Signalbox · 02/07/2022 17:49

Whilst most see little harm in their son wearing a dress or their daughter having short hair, their fear is the race toward medicalisation. Powerful puberty blockers could lead to lifelong harm or irreversible surgery.

This is crux of the matter. If it was just about clothing and name changes this would just be a harmless youth culture that we could all just roll our eyes at and ignore. But the potential for medicalisation, surgeries and social service intervention if you don’t go along with it must be terrifying.

Birdsweepsin · 02/07/2022 17:41

Oh my god, this is awful

The hospital changed her gender on forms and Charlotte “realised that I was in actual danger of being accused of child abuse because I am not affirming my child”.

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