Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

Again @Hearach15 are you saying Stonewall don’t support LGB now? I mean we all know it but it takes guts to say it. What makes you think everyone was there supporting the T and not the LGB? Do you even understand the points people are making or would you like clarification?

The progress plus flag is sooooo fugly

I think that's the main reason no one should fly it

kind of gives a lie to the story that 'trans people were there from the beginning' too dunnit?

if they were there from the beginning, why did the pride flag have to be high jacked with that fucking ugly arrow?

Flying the flags in regent street was an incredibly bad idea, although I can't quite put my finger on why, and we're unlikely to be left alone long enough on this thread to have enough discussion to help me figure it out

If that were the case I wonder why Stonewall got such a big cheer at Pride in London the other day:

twitter.com/robbieds/status/1543241446710452224

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"You keep plugging away centring heterosexual males".

😂😂😂

If you knew me in real life you'd know how funny this is.

So @Marleym are toy saying that all those people were there for trans rights and nothing else or did you not understand what I was saying? Did you go to the same school as @antifascist ?

Oh, is giving SPAG tips now classed as bullying? Is this like the trans umbrella that covers everyone, or the meaning of transphobia which includes everything? You can’t just expand words to suit your needs @antifascist . That’s not how language works.

I wonder if all those who support this gender ideology will cringe when they look back on what they have done. I mean those bullying lesbians to sleep with males, bullying women into seeing male genitalia against their will, sending death threats and rape threats to people who refuse to accept their diktats. I wonder if they will fallback into ‘I didn’t know’. Or just delete everything and pretend it didn’t happen.

bullying Is suggesting that “housemate” should be replaced by “headmate” -but you know perfectly well what I meant.

Datun yes, I've seen those letters

Flag dammit.

Yes, people with DSD have been asking for ages so this new gulag must be a complete kick in the teeth to them. This forced teaming is the only way the T can survive though. Without the LGB they would have nothing. And now the LGB are distancing themselves, their only hope is with people with DSD.

Who am I bullying? I’ve offered you the chance to be in my latest bonkbuster? Or are you defining bullying as ‘someone doesn’t agree with me’? Bless your heart child, this isn’t bullying. This is gently pointing out to you that you are slightly misguided in your opinions.

Why are you repeatedly bullying people who try and engage with you in good faith @Conflictedunicorn ? you are doing the cause you are attempting to advocate for no favours whatsoever

Finally, they are beginning to respect the wishes of people with DSDs.

At least five years ago, I remember the intersex society publishing a letter exchange that they had with the man who runs GIRES, I think it was.

He was desperate to have them align with trans ideology, on the basis that some people with DSDs have surgery. He wanted them to join forces with him in advocating for genital surgery. I believe a programme with Panorama was in the offing.

They refused over and over, but he kept pressuring them. In the end they published the letters.

The ideology uses homosexuality to defend itself, without being able to define it, in fact it redefines it as heterosexuality (see numerous posts on here). And now congenital disorders are appropriated to back up the 'born in the wrong body fantasy'.

Fortunately, people can now see it for what it is. When a peer of the realm sends out a public letter, you know the jig is up.

Honestly, hardly know any. My housemate said the other day "Sometimes I forget straight people exist" and it really rang true for me.

you spelled headmate wrong

Of course, the moment a person comes out as trans they lose a huge amount of privilege and put themselves at an enormous risk of social and economic exclusion. I will always support this small minority in their valiant fight for equality and inclusion.

This may well be true for some, and perhaps very much so for trans men, but there are those who transition and roll up to snatch prizes or advantages reserved for women and are cushioned by their new status, often called brave.

Getting into a women’s prison, winning a women’s literature prize, winning a women’s swimming race ( after not being so successful at men’s) being so first ‘female’ admiral in the US, being the head of a women’s rape crisis centre, being the winner of women in business ……. All brought added privileges to transitioned males.

Haha! That's going to be a little tricky to maintain when, to you, a straight relationship can involve two men, two women, or a man and a woman.

As I said, it's best not to use words that you don't understand.

You keep plugging away centring heterosexual males, and leave the LGB to people who can at least define the terms.

Please show how that works in sports?

How has that worked for Eddie Izzard?

We can list many names of mature males who have transitioned and have not lost their privilege. Remarkable to see stated that they do, so yes, that one really needs to be evidenced.

Of course, the moment a person comes out as trans they lose a huge amount of privilege and put themselves at an enormous risk of social and economic exclusion. I will always support this small minority in their valiant fight for equality and inclusion.

This is simply not true.

Of course, the moment a person comes out as trans they lose a huge amount of privilege and put themselves at an enormous risk of social and economic exclusion

For some trans people that is true. Others, typically the ones who had a nice slug of male privilege to start with, get lauded and supported and their voices amplified.

Eddie Izzard? Pips Bunce? Diana Thomas? The Wachowski sisters? Lia Thomas? Emily Bridges? Monroe Bergdorf? How exactly have these people, many already successful in their fields as men, lost out by transitioning?

And to be clear, I wish them every luck, happiness, success and as big a platform as they want to speak for trans people. But to draw on their experiences of "womanhood" to speak for female people, or when their successes are held up as examples of what women can achieve, that's just kicking people who actually deal with the challenges of being female in the teeth.

antifascist hierarche1
Going back to what Baroness Nicholson’s letter was about.
It was about including 100 Progress Flags among Pride flags.

Progress flags are supposed to represent people with DSDs/VSDs often called Intersex.

Including people with these conditions by means of a Progress flag was ‘hostile’ to people with DSDs. , because people with DSD have asked that their conditions not be used as examples of trans gender states - which they are not.

From DSD families
Guide

This is not a guide about LGBT+ issues, as Differences of Sex Development/Intersex Variations are not a form of sexuality or gender identity; they are about physical differences in a person’s reproductive development and sometimes genital development.

Q. Are DSD and transgender the same thing?

No, they aren't. DSD refers to a physical situation that begins before birth in which the reproductive/genital system does not develop as expected for a typical boy or girl.

www.dsdfamilies.org › faq
FAQ - DSD Families

Stonewall
Stonewall …………………………..does not, after discussions with members of the intersex community, include intersex issues as part of its current remit at this stag

Of course, the moment a person comes out as trans they lose a huge amount of privilege and put themselves at an enormous risk of social and economic exclusion. I will always support this small minority in their valiant fight for equality and inclusion.

@Hearach15 what privilege would they lose? What rights do trans people not have that everyone else has?

You do really need to get out more @Hearach15 it might do you some good. Now I’ve assigned you as a non binary agender otherkin for the novel. It’s called. Wooing the world, love in the gender wars.

"I do not want a person who has benefitted from male privilege for 40 years taking prizes and opportunities intended to build up female people because that person has identified as a woman for 5 years."

Of course, the moment a person comes out as trans they lose a huge amount of privilege and put themselves at an enormous risk of social and economic exclusion. I will always support this small minority in their valiant fight for equality and inclusion.