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Your argument is that because there are more of them they are fundamentally different?

That is the same for all subsections of LGBT people: www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-stats-idUSKCN2D90VK

Are you saying that lesbian/gay/bisexual people in 2022 are fundamentally different to those in 2017 just because there are more than ever?

As someone who is actually involved in the LGBT community I can tell you the oldies are fundamentally the same as the young ones. Sorry to disappoint you on that one.

Personally, I'm just taking that poster at face value, when they say "I am actually an ideological zealot".

it's just embarrassing now.

La la la la la

Is that what you have effectively done for the past x pages? Blocked your ears. To some very basic information that would provide you with your own answers?

I tell you what. Since you won’t engage, go off and find the demographic break down of the under 18s referred to GIDS over the past two decades.

And also go and read up on the same phenomenon being seen in other countries.

Or is that too much to ask?

You've provided no evidence that trans people in 2022 are so different from those in 2017 that the studies into their healthcare is completely null and void.

And again, you are not and seem to be incapable of actually engaging with people’s posts.

And you don’t even seem to understand what we are saying to you and why.

At this point, you seem to be only motivated by other motives that seeking understanding.

Trans people are the same in 2022 as they were in 2017.

And I repeat. Not one of those 50+ Cornell studies are relevant to the specific needs of the current majority of the young transitioner cohort.

You need to stop trying to show people up and start actually reading and understanding.

This is like so many of your other posts on other threads. Your gotchas do not show what you think they do.

I'm sorry you disagree with the findings of 93% of peer reviewed papers on this subject because apparently there is a huge difference between trans people in 2022 and 2017.

The fact that I accept the conclusions of such eminent scientists may seem "foolish" to you but I also accept the conclusions who say the world is round and climate change is real. Sorry, I'm just going with the science on these issues too

Why do you continue to post when you have not read the previous pages to understand what we are telling you?

In 1991 - trans sexual or transgender people existed absolutely. No kids.
2022 - the ‘umbrella’ covers Grayson Perry, J Edgar Hoover (if the rumours are to be believed) and probably Annie Lennox (mis 80s). Helluvalotta kids.

Wish.

You seriously need to engage hearache because you are looking very foolish right now. You have yet again shown you are here for the ‘gotchas’ and not actually reading anything written or linked.

Everyone else who has read what has been linked or posted can immediately see why your posts are not showing what you desperately which.

Trans people existed 1991 -2017. They haven't changed you know. A trans person in 2022 is just as one in 2017. The research is just as valid and the conclusion is overwhelming.

Yes, famously trans people only appeared in 2015.

Yeah. This isn’t a ‘gotcha’ moment either.

I have already detailed twice before why those 50+ studies are not relevant at all to the current cohort of young transitioners.

I doubt you have even read one of them.

I simply cannot be arsed to go through them all again to discuss them. You can use advanced search or Google to find my previous two posts to those posters who tried exactly the same move you just did.

Cornell:

"We identified 55 studies [between 1991 and 2017] that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings."

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

I have no idea why you are asking me to disagree with the conclusion of 93% of the studies on this topic but there we are. I guess I just agree with the overwhelming body of scientific research on this topic.

Did you even bother reading my post then?

And again, you are all ‘but it is Harvard’, when that ‘Yale’ study had a correction printed around 12 months time to state the results were too weak to have made the conclusions they did!

Imagine! Yale!!

Your posts tend to highlight your lack of actual engagement even in what YOU post, let alone anyone else posts.

The study examined data from the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey

2015 is virtually akin to the Victorian age in terms of gender ideology and its associated treatments. Quite aside from the flaws in research methods in the study you cite, I'd say many, many people here know more than even the 'experts' did in 2015, because time has given us much more insight, knowledge of outcomes and ability to evaluate.

And I've also linked one from Cornell University:

"This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals. The literature also indicates that greater availability of medical and social support for gender transition contributes to better quality of life for those who identify as transgender."

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

I am actually an ideological zealot when it comes to LGBT equality and liberation. I am in exactly the same way the noble Baroness is ideological in her opposition to LGBT equality and liberation.

Hearach15 · Today 11:02
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I'm idly scrolling through a covid fog and am in awe, as ever, of Helleofabores patience, thoroughness and expertise.”

“Contrast with the poster who uses GenderGP as a source.”

“Seriously, Hearach15, you might want to do some more research into where your information is coming from.”

My research comes from Harvard University - are you suggesting you know more than they do?

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/mental-health-benefits-associated-with-gender-affirming-surgery/

Hearach15

I don’t understand why you are saying this again, as you said it yesterday and someone with knowledge of how to evaluate research answered at great length.

Do you actually think that all of the hundreds of people writing research papers at Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, and other prestigious universities always, (and each of equal merit, never contradicting each other), write unflawed research, are never influenced by companies paying for it,

never become out of date in light of new information?

I am not a scientist and am not commenting on the link you posted. But someone who evidently is professionally scientific, took a great deal of their own time to explain their concerns.

Yet you seem to have not read it!

There is no point in that case in anyone answering you.

I would also add this from Cornell University as I see posters are asking for longer-term studies:

"We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm. As an added resource, we separately include 17 additional studies that consist of literature reviews and practitioner guidelines."

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

93% seems quite conclusive to me!

I'm very surprised that anyone would seek to deny trans people the appropriate healthcare when the overwhelming evidence is they benefit from it.

"I don’t recall you adding anything constructive and even critically evaluated."

Can you post evidence that this study by Harvard University is not "critically evaluated"?

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/mental-health-benefits-associated-with-gender-affirming-surgery/

That is quite a big claim and perhaps even defamatory against the authors who work for the world's most respected university.

My research comes from Harvard University - are you suggesting you know more than they do?

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/mental-health-benefits-associated-with-gender-affirming-surgery/