Baroness Nicholson on Regent Street flags

I listened to her speech in the H of Lords. This was her plea on behalf of foetuses/people whose disabilities, if they were born, (rather than aborted under exceptions to extend abortion times in certain circumstances) would not limit their lives so badly as to make their lives not worth living.

If she thinks that abortion on demand should be limited to under 12 weeks/1st Trimester (with access beyond this time under certain conditions ) she would be in line with other European countries like Germany, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland.

(In practice in Scotland it is 15 weeks and Wales18 - people have to travel to England)

Most people may disagree and her opinion did not prevail, we still have 24 weeks but

In what way was her opinion the same as that of those banning all abortion in the affected U.S. States?

In what way does this make everything she says something to dismiss?

Back to the OP which is about her letter on a different issue.

No comments on the actual flags

just calling women talking about the flags nazis

got it…

She proposed a bill to limit abortions to
12 nuanced weeks.

Not paragraph 4. Paragraph d.

None of that corresponds to fundamentalist American views on abortion.

berriesandcreem · Yesterday 23:37
Helleofabore
And yes, she has been quite upfront about her approach to abortion which is also much more nuanced than some posters like to admit.

It's very clear what she's proposing.

Paragraph 4 about exceptions for a child who will be born disabled.
She is concerned about abortion being used as eugenics against all disabilities in a blanket way.

Rookie.

It is derogatory. It is a lame attempt to further align MN to extremist beliefs. Storefront is a hate site (neo nazi). And obviously MN is full of Prosecco drinkers according to those who spawned the term. So full of sexist and classist derision.

Some posters really get infuriated when other people don’t agree with them. And point out their constant hyperbole and misinformation.

I think Antifa I trying to imply that MN is full of reactionary Karens with a fondness for alcohol. Or something.

Lazy stereotyping. I prefer red wine or lager. 🍷🍻

Why “Prosecco stormfront”? I think I must have missed something.

And yes, she has been quite upfront about her approach to abortion which is also much more nuanced than some posters like to admit.

I see we have another poster who seems to forget how laws are made under the Westminster Parliament system.

If a proposed law does not fulfill the need that a MP’s constituents want, or that MP sees potential issues arising from the wording of the law, they don’t vote for it. It is not like a popular vote, it is making law. And LGB lobby groups at the time expressed some reservations with the law when Baroness Nicholson voted against it.

She has publicly stated why she did. It wasn’t at all how some posters have expressed it. It was again because she had concerns about the protections of women and children under the proposed law.

But some posters across different threads keep trying to twist it to be out of hate and bigotry.

The flags are 💩.

She did not mean all disabilities by the way. She recognised that there are those that would cause terrible suffering to the child as a different category.

Sorry to derail but:
Re Baroness Nicholson and Abortion, I just looked her up and their is nuance to her stance: her concern is over abortion being used as eugenics. She questions the idea that anyone born with a disability will have a life not worth living. She herself was born 80% deaf and suffered partial loss of eyesight aged 11. Therefore she has a view against eugenics based on her experience.

People may think she is wrong, but she is not the equivalent of an American male prohibiting abortion even after incest or rape, in a country where there is no free healthcare and dire social welfare.

Thanks, that's much clearer

Does this work @LeniGray ?

if you knew of Baroness Nicholson‘s lifetime record of homophobia why are you representing her as showing “long running support for the LGB community?

This is a good point. I wish there would be some properly set up voting on this, that can't be brigaded or fixed, or drawn from biased or selected groups, and is properly representative. It would be very useful.

I can understand that you wish to ignore Baroness Nicholson‘s long record of homophobia and attempts to restrict abortion rights because you wish to portray her as an LGB and feminist heroine.

you are lying ,

And we're saying that you repeating yourself over and over again with information most of us knew already doesn't make it any more interesting than it was the first time you said it.

I'm saying that those of you who are portraying Nicholson as someone who has shown “long running support of the LGB community” or as “ an awesome woman” “a woman with a sterling career in actual human rights,” should be made aware of her record of opposing gay marriage, supporting Section 28 opposing lesbian parents and trying to restrict abortion rights.

Antifascist - are you American?

Are you saying tha far right are backing stonewall now? Wow! I’d not thought of that but it makes sense. Stonewalls tactic do hint of the nazi rise to power. Glad you’re fighting them with us